From: Anonymous <anon@anon.efga.org>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 11:07:36 +0800
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At 02:52 AM 12/23/97 -0600, you wrote:
>Forwarded message:
>
>> Subject: Re: Lock and Load (fwd)
>> Date: Tue, 23 Dec 97 02:41:03 -0500
>> From: "Brian B. Riley" <brianbr@together.net>
>
>>  It was the first cicilian marketed semi-auto in the country

No, that one was a Baretta.

The Browning  was the first successfully marketed simi-auto shoulder weapon in *this* country. I believe the Remington M-8 was based on the same Browning recoiling barrel design.

>
>This doesn't use a Mauser 1898 action does it? The top feed 5-round clip is
>my first clue...

The 95 and 98 Mauser (along with the Springfield) are *bolt action*  arms. They are magazine fed.

>
>As to first semi-automatic in the country, I believe  the Springfield 1903
>has that particular honor. It used a Mauser '98 action also. It's also where
>.30-06 got the 06 from...also very popular in WW1 and used as a sniper rifle
>through Normandy, after which the Garand pretty much took over.

You've got yur facts mangled a tad. The 03 is a hand operated bolt action! It was predated in US military service by both the Krag and Lee  bolt actions. The first US service semi-auto rifle, discounting the abortive Pederson device, was the Johnson .30-06!
 . The .30-06 is called the .30-06 Springfield because the original , .30-03, round was loaded with a FMJ 220 gr. slug at around 2000 fps . It proved to be little better than the trapdoor .45-70 which it replaced in the hands of most infantry troops. In190!
6 a new service cartridge with  slightly different case dimensions was introduced sending a FMJ 150 gr. bullet out at around 2500 fps. Later it was up rated to 2700 fps as the brittle case hardened 03 Springfield actions were phased out in favor of  strong!
er "hi-number" 03-A3 rifles. I carried an 03-A3 (serial number 4796575) for  four years. Good dependable weapon and if I could see em, I could generally hit em with it.

>Yep, bet this is some sort of Mauser '98 action...

Nope, don't bet yur gas money , sonny.

>
>> Merry Christmas to you too ... we here in Vermont are having a *very* 
>> white Christmas already with more snow coming tonite and tomorrow ...
>
>We're supposed to get rain and more rain starting tomorrow. They say it might
>be clear on Christmas but the rain returns on Friday...;(
>
>Stay warm & thanks for the discussion.
>
>   |  -====~~mm-'`-```-mm --'-                         Jim Choate       |

Screw the holiday cheer shit, I wish you a good meal, a warm bed, and unlimited firepower.

DemanglerMunger