From: redgod@usa.net
Date: Fri, 23 Jan 1998 11:05:26 +0800
To: William Knowles <tcmay@got.net>
Subject: Re: (eternity) autonomous agents
Message-ID: <3.0.32.19980123104908.007a8ab0@iuol.cn.net>
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CAN YOU TELL ME HOW TO REMOVE MYSELF FROM IT?
I WILL MAD!
OH GOD! TOO MANY EMAIL!
At 03:51 PM 1/13/98 -0800, William Knowles wrote:
>On Tue, 13 Jan 1998, Tim May wrote:
>
>> At 1:23 PM -0800 1/13/98, William Knowles wrote:
>> 
>> >Anguilla seems to be a doing agood job on becoming a country
>> >willing on hosting data havens.
>> 
>> Oh yeah?
>> 
>> It's been a while since we talked about this (at least on the Cypherpunks
>> list), but a couple of years ago there was much discusson on the CP list
>> about just what items would be allowable in Anguilla. Vince Cate gave his
>> assessment, which I found fairly nebulous, in that it appeared the Ruling
>> Families would allow what they would allow, and not allow what they would
>> not allow---there seemed to be a lot of ad hoc rulings.
>
>If memory serves me right it was because Vince bounced off the Taxbomber
>site because it offered second passports, camouflage passports, and other
>products that was considered a fraud, Which to me sounds odd since there
>is some other company selling most everthing and then some from an .ai
>domain which Vince's company has the monopoly on handing out .ai domains
>
>http://www.ultramec.com.ai
> 
>> (Given that copies of "Penthouse" are illegal in Anguilla, if I recall this
>> correctly, and given that gun are illegal, and drugs are illegal, I rather
>> doubt that Anguilla would happily host "The Aryan Nations Bomb Site," or
>> "Pedophile Heaven," or "Gun Smuggler's Digest. " Or the even juicier stuff
>> any "data haven" with any claim to really being a data haven will surely
>> have.)
>
>You also have to wonder how far in the future it will be before the
>special forces of some banana republic drops in on Vince to blow-up
>his operation for as he advertises publishing censored information 
>on ones ex-president on the Internet, or for that matter I have
>yet to see abortion information coming from his servers. 
>
>What has happened in Anguilla proves that there will be a need for 
>different flavors of datahavens, Different degrees libility that
>datahaven owners will want to store information on their servers.  
>I would love to open a XXX WWW site in Anguilla pulling in the 
>industry average of $5-10K a month and not pay any taxes there, 
>But it won't happen in Anguilla with the present adminstration!
>
>> >And there are likely under a hundred oil companies looking
>> >for firms to 'recycle' their old oil platforms and drilling
>> >rigs wasting away around the world, I'm sure some might just
>> >give you one just to be rid of future liability.
>> 
>> Given the willingness of the French to have SDECE sink Greenpeace ships in
>> neutral ports, how long before a couple of kilos of Semtex are applied to
>> the underside of these oil rigs?
>>
>> Given what happened with "pirate broadcast tankers," the future is not
bright.
>
>Isn't there a microstate off the coast of England called 'Sealand' run
>from a former oil rig/gun battery for the last 20 years?  
> 
>> When the first "oil rig data haven" is found to have kiddie porn,
>> bomb-making info, and (shudder) material doubting the historicity of the
>> Holocaust, the U.N. will cluck and the public will cheer when it is boarded
>> and seized, or simply sunk.
>>
>> As I said in my last piece on this subject, there is no security in
>> meatspace comparable to what is gotten with mathematics.
>> 
>> --Tim May
>
>I agree completely, But there is still room for massively distrubted
>datahavens on oil rigs, barges, gun batteries, island nations or
>hiding in Norm's LAN in Cicero IL.  All the harder to supress that
>information.
>
>
>William Knowles
>erehwon@dis.org 
>
>==
>The information standard is more draconian than the gold
>standard, because the government has lost control of the
>marketplace.  --  Walter Wriston 
>==
>http://www.dis.org/erehwon/
>
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