From: Information Security <guy@panix.com>
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 1998 05:16:03 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: The Digital Society Group
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   >   From jalonz@openworld.com Thu Jan  8 02:19:34 1998
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Cyberpunks?

You really know how to score points!

   >   Message-ID: <85256586.00280ED7.00@openworld.com>
   >   Date: Thu, 8 Jan 1998 02:22:05 -0500
   >   Subject: Re: The Digital Society Group
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   >   
   >   >#   SAN DIEGO DISTRICT ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
   >   >#
   >   >#   Computer Security - Provide computer security assistance in criminal
   >   >#   investigations.  Tasks include data decryption, recovering erased
   >   data,
   >   >#   password retrieval, data line monitoring, and protected system entry.
   >   >
   >   >Isn't that last item special?
   >   >
   >   >---guy
   >   >
   >   >   And a possible reason for heading the other way.
   >   
   >   guy,
   >   
   >   tough noogies
   >   
   >   deal with it...
   >   
   >   Notice the words "criminal investigations"? God forbid talent could
   >   actually be used for a good cause. The incidents in question were actually
   >   quite serious (Chinese mafia money laundering via phony real estate deals)
   >   and not at all like the porno bbs confiscation crap you'd be thinking of.
   >   
   >   :)
   >   jqz

Just curious what your reaction would be to that ambiguous statement.

Having done DA support, I expect you are quite serious
about heading the other way to give users security
and anonymity. How do you justify both, since the
"bad guys" would benefit?

----

It's the other stuff: that you flit around (people posting "Where
are you Jalon Q. Zimmerman?"), that The Digital Society doesn't
have its own domain, but is hosted by some other company called
"OpenWorld", which has AOL contact addresses...

Who is Mark Frazier, who owns OpenWorld, how long has it been in
business, what is your relationship to them, what is your job
description? Is OpenWorld another startup that is going to go <poof>?

The OpenWorld pages read like any other company BS, and you've
given yourself the lofty title "Director".

Yeah, and we have Sir Timothy May, Dr. Dim Vulvis, etc.

You're about 26, and full of hot air.
---guy

   You mean well. ;-)