From: Bart Troyan <btroyan@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 12:30:27 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: It's finally over (was Re: Explanation of Harald Fragner and cypherpunks)
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---Mark Salamon <mark@sixdegrees.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the reply.  I have now received about 10 such replies.  We
> will take them to heart, remove the cypherpunks and attempt to deal with
> the mailing list issue in an intelligent way.
> 
> And thanks, but we have enough magazine subscriptions already.  :)
> 
> Mark
> 
> Bart Troyan wrote:
> > 
> > OK, here's what happened.  Someone signed up for sixdegrees using one or
> > more of the cypherpunks addresses as their address, either deliberately in
> > order to cause problems like this, or accidentally, not realizing what
> > would happen.
> > 
> > The real-world analogy would be for me and all my friends to get a bunch of
> > magazines, rip out all those postage-paid subscription flaps, and fill out
> > your name and address on each of them, then you'd have unwanted trial
> > subscriptions to lots and lots of magazines.
> > 
> > hmmmm...
> > MacroView
> > 90 William Street, Suite 301
> > New York, NY 10038
> > 
> > Wouldn't that suck?  Can you imagine if 1000 people did that to you all the
> > same day?  (this is *not* a threat, just an example).  You'd have bags and
> > bags of zines and bills coming in daily...
> > 
> > As I am sure you are aware, the net makes it REALLY EASY to screw someone
> > over like that, by signing them up for all sorts of things with little
> > effort.  Even if you remove all the cypherpunks addresses, someone can come
> > along and do it again.  There must be a permanent solution...how about
> > hardcoding a block on signing up with an address containing the string
> > "cypherpunks" in your email software?  Why should thousands of us on
> > cypherpunks all have to do our own filtering to delete everything from
> > @sixdegrees.com and still have to waste all that bandwidth when one site is
> > the source of all of it, and it could be eradicated with a simple
> > programming change?
> > 
> > I assure you this is not the last time you'll see this problem occur--there
> > are thousands of mailing lists out there, and lots of vindictive former
> > subscribers for each one that would love to annoy everyone on the list for
> > a while...  and signing a list up for sixdegrees does the trick quite
> > efficiently.
> > 
> > -Bart
> > 
> > Mark Salamon wrote:
> > > What is confusing to me is that the email you received from sixdegrees
> > > (with the subject:  Harald Fragner) is one that would be sent ONLY to a
> > > CONFIRMED sixdegrees user.  That means that once upon a time, whether
> > > you remember or not, you joined sixdegrees (as have over 1,000,000
> > > people to date).  It also appears that you listed Harald Fragner as a
>