From: Petro <petro@playboy.com>
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 1998 02:54:54 +0800
To: Jim Choate <cypherpunks@einstein.ssz.com (Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer)
Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the (fwd)
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At 7:57 PM -0500 11/10/98, Jim Choate wrote:
>Forwarded message:

	Part what is attributed to me I wrote, some was written by Albert
P. Franco, whose original message didn't get modified properly by Eudora.
Sorry.

	I've changed his comments to ::

>> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 1998 16:40:11 -0500
>> From: Petro <petro@playboy.com>
>> Subject: Re: dbts: Privacy Fetishes, Perfect Competition, and the
>>  Foregone(fwd)
>
::I left the good ol' USA too. I now live in a European country with a strong
::socialistic government and I actually find very little interference in my
::day to day life. In fact there seems to be a much higher awareness that
::each
>
>I find very little interference in my daily life as well (except when one of
>you anarcho-cooks starts dropping bombs and threatening people).

>> 	Crap. They take 60+ percent of your income in taxes, that means
>> that they take 60+ percent of your working day.
>They take 40% of my income, or are you talking of France taking 60% of your
>income. Disagreement over the level or specific policies for spending it do
>not justify eliminating the system.

	Specific levels maybe, but spending policies, yes it does.

>> 	They (at least france) throw up HUGE barriers to anyone wanting to
>> start a business, especially if they will need to hire workers. This not
>> only makes it difficult for you to start a business (which would never
>> happen since you've indicated you like someone else making decisions for
>> you) but also increases unemployment (prevents others from creating jobs
>> rather than just begging for them).
>
>And you find that a better place to live then the US?

	Again, That was Franco, I live in the US, and wrote that part.


:: individual is responsible for his and her actions. At the very least there
:: aren't as many lawyers claiming everyone is a victim of something or
:: another (ie. too hot coffee, slippery floors, home owners that shot the
:: poor intruder who didn't get a warning first, etc.)
>
>What is the percentage of lawyers in France to the total population?
>
:: Ain't no where perfect, anarcho-whatever was done about 4000 years ago, I
:: generally prefer to look forward...
>>
>> 	So, the fact that it hasn't been tried in 4000 years means it will
>> never work?
>>
>> 	I guess it's a good thing the wright brothers didn't take that
>> attitude, nor Robert Goddard.
>
>We tried anarchy, it's called cave men. As to Wright and Goddard, they had
>ample evidence in physics (that's been around what 4.5B years) to build
>their expectations on. In the field of politics and social system the only
>thing we have to go with is our imagination, patience, understanding, and
>past practice. 5k years or a little more.
>
>All of those say anarcho-anything systems won't work.

	Those haven't been tried in 5 or 6k years, things change.
--
"To sum up: The entire structure of antitrust statutes in this country is a
jumble of economic irrationality and ignorance. It is a product: (a) of a
gross misinterpretation of history, and (b) of rather nave, and certainly
unrealistic, economic theories." Alan Greenspan, "Anti-trust"
http://www.ecosystems.net/mgering/antitrust.html

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