From: Jim Choate <ravage@EINSTEIN.ssz.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 21:54:57 +0800
To: cypherpunks@EINSTEIN.ssz.com (Cypherpunks Distributed Remailer)
Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)
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> Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 13:59:20 +0100
> From: Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@stud.uni-muenchen.de>
> Subject: Re: Building crypto archives worldwide to foil US-built Berlin Walls (fwd)

> I don't see why you have to pose such severe selection criteria.

Because those are the issues that will determine success.

> As long as a number of countries don't yet have export regulations,

Which doesn't mean they won't hassle the operators with various techniques
in order to pursuade them it's a bad idea to continue.

> If the 'economies', 'infrastructure' 'religon' and what not of the 
> countries do not (yet) affect crypto laws, why care about them? If 

They effect crypto by defintion.

> at a later point of time some of these countries do have crypto laws, 

If they don't have crypto laws it's likely they don't have a lot of other
sorts of laws and the social and economic structure those laws imply. This
makes it very difficult to operate a archive with any sort of stability or
protection.

> well, simply close down the archive there and let the sites in the 

And what about the costs and effects incurred by that person you so glibly
throw away?

> Much more important is to discuss how to solve the finacial problem

There is NO financial problem. It costs hundreds of dollars to purchase the
hardware. The connectivity is less than $100 a month in most parts of the
world. It simply isn't expensive or economicaly challenging.

That ISN'T the problem and should recieve scant attention while these other
issues are extant.

Bottem line, if you can't afford to put up a box then you're not going to be
able to afford to deal with the other issues such activities incur mainly
because you're going to be too busy trying to pay your housing and food
costs. In that situation you've better things to do with your time then run
an archive site.


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