From: hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au  (Dwayne)
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 93 06:19:56 PST
To: cypherpunks@toad.com (cypherpunks mailing list)
Subject: Re: Some possible projects/topics for CypherPunks
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This is from the guy who thought up the punk net idea. He has a smallish
mbox, so asked me to passs this on. Feel free to mail him directly..

Dwayne.

: From jon@werple.apana.org.au Tue Nov  2 17:26:48 1993
: Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1993 17:26:23 +1100 (EST)
: From: Jon Holdsworth <jon@werple.apana.org.au>
: Subject: Re: Some possible projects/topics for CypherPunks
: To: hiscdcj@lux.latrobe.edu.au (Dwayne)
: Message-Id: <199311020626.RAA00708@werple.apana.org.au>
: 
: > 1. HARDWARE:  What about building our own machines?  This is the Vinge-ian
: >    crypto-anarchy theme ultimately.  We should be able to produce our own
: >    technology,  and not depend on the merchantile/government-mandated
: >    economic system/monopolies.
: > 
: >    I see this as being very important to the oceania/autopia/technomad
: >    ideas and projects of creating ocean-going free societies.
: > 
 This is all good encouraging stuff!  Of course you realize that half the
 issue is that PunkNet and some other things HAVE to be *Illegal*.  Why?
 Because they have no point in existing if they can be regulated, taxed,
 interferred with or "policed" (an abstract) by any govt or comm agency
 
: 
: >    Or is anyone interested in starting a parallel list of sorts for the
: >    hardware-punks?  'ware-punks?  :-)  or perhaps an even better name
 This is an excellent idea.  Get the HAM crowd into it (The ULTRAnerds)
: 
: >    would be The Homebrew Computer Club^2.
 No that would be a fucking shithouse name
: 
: > 2. STEGENOGRAPHY: Using the genome project data listings
: >    (bionet.molbio.genbank.updates) as a stegenographic source to 
: >    hide encrypted info in.  Similar to the alt.w.a.s.t.e NG,
: >    but more public.  Of course, it'd be bad if your ecrypted data 
: >    got credited with curing/causing a genetic disease.... =>
: >
 Mad.  I like it
:  
: > 3. PUNK-NET:  (see HARDWARE above)
 Wheeeeeee!!!!
: 
: > 4. POLITICS/ANONYMITY:  I may have missed this, but has anyone
: >    discussed Gibson's "The Republic of Desire" idea of having a
: >    network based guerilla organization?  Not that we need to be
: >    guerilla's yet, but...
: > 
 In MUDS (eg. Graphical muds!!) I think it would become easier than ever to
 assemble cell-structure type (eg. IRA style) orgs
 Encyphered PunkNet too
: 
: 
: >    I think the guerilla cell organization would probably lend itself
: >    to using the DC-net protocols, and developing webs-of-trust
 Whats DC-net?

{Dwayne's note:  I'll pass on the DC-NET thing that was posted here a
while ago. I've saved it. Somewhere  :-/  }


              (Dwayne Jones-Evans  IRC, MediaMOO: ddraig  )
     ( SCA: Cynon Yscolan ap Myrddin, Stormhold, Lochac, West)
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