From: "Dave Emery" <die@pig.die.com>
Date: Wed, 16 Aug 95 13:45:28 PDT
To: eb@comsec.com (Eric Blossom)
Subject: Re: Purple Boxes
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> 
> I've looked at the AT&T simultaneous voice and data stuff (VoiceSpan),
> and from what I can determine from reading between the lines, the
> voice stuff is not really digitized (a la PCM), rather it is just
> pushed around somewhere else in the spectrum.  The data is apparently
> modulated using a variant on QAM, and the data rate varies dynamically
> depending on whether or not you are saying anything.
> 
> As I recall the block diagram is ...

	We had a discussion about this on this list a while back.  I've
been following the matter elsewhere and it is certainly true that some
of the proprietary stuff and the proposed standard are fully digital
packet interleaved digital CLEP coded voice.

	It would be possible to use the echo cancelling technology of
modern modems (which subtract out the transmit signal to leave the receive)
to subtract out both the transmit and receive digital signals (QAM
by the way for v.32 and v.34) and leave just the residual noise which
could be voice at a very low level.  Whether one could get an adaquate 
bit error rate (even with the trellis coding) from the far end data signal
given the worst case line loss if the signal was mixed with low level
voice I do not know.

	In any case if the analog voice under QAM data trick was
actually used, one could have a reasonable security analog masking type
scrambler for free by sending random digital data down the line in both
directions (such as data derived from Johnson noise or radioactive
decay).  There would be no easy way for a third party to filter out the
digital data (unless of course the interloper had a four wire tap on the
line with good enough directionality to demodulate the data in both
directions with a reasonable BER). 

							Dave Emery
							die@die.com