1995-10-14 - Re: Anguilla Cypherpunks Meeting

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From: Tim Philp <bplib@wat.hookup.net>
To: s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca
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UTC Datetime: 1995-10-14 01:22:04 UTC
Raw Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:22:04 PDT

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From: Tim Philp <bplib@wat.hookup.net>
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 95 18:22:04 PDT
To: s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca
Subject: Re: Anguilla Cypherpunks Meeting
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As a Canadian, I am often astounded by the attempts of the United States 
government to apply American law extraterritorially. A case in point is 
the trade embargo with Cuba. Canada does not recognize this embargo and 
trades freely with Cuba. Several American corporations faced legal 
sanction in the U.S. for the actions of their Canadian subsiduries. I 
don't remember the details but can get references if anyone requires it.
ITAR regulations may be enforced by the U.S. government on the parent 
corporations if history is any judge.
In any case, these regulations are impeding standards development and the 
use of secure cryptography for commerce on the internet. As for key 
escrow and and other schemes to dilute security, no foreign company is 
going to use such 'bastardized' products, knowing that the U.S. 
government may be listening in. Especially since your president is 
talking about commercial spying.

Tim Philp
Brantford, Ontario

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On Fri, 13 Oct 1995 s1018954@aix2.uottawa.ca wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Oct 1995, Michael Froomkin wrote:
> > > If while you are outside the USA you want to write some software that uses
> > > encryption and sell it worldwide, let me know.  I could put you up while
> > > you wrote it and my company could sell it for share of the selling price. 
> > > Let me know what you are thinking of and how long you think it would take. 
> > 
> > Of course if you are a US person (citizen or green card holder) this is 
> > just as much a violation of the ITAR than if you did it from inside the US...
> Really? I thought except for incomes taxes, US laws only apply in American
> territory as opposed to applying to American people wherever they are (as 
> I heard Germany's does).
> What if you were a dual citizen (US/Canada in my case)?