From: Evan Ravitz <evan@darkstar.cygnus.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 1996 02:45:39 +0800
To: dnowch2@teleport.com
Subject: Re: DNow2> Re: DNow2 Re: Hammill 1987 speech
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On Mon, 8 Jan 1996, Alan Horowitz wrote:
> Thanks for that lovely peice about the Chiapas uprising. I'm saving it to 
> disk. It's so archtypal of the turgid prose of graduates of Moscow's 
> Patrice Lumumba University. How wondrous that leftists-without-a-home can 
> find a cause to latch onto and keep their rhetorical skills in practice.

Carlos Fuentes calls the rebellion the first "post-Communist" revolution. 
They specifically reject the rhetoric you set up as a straw-man. If you 
want to actually become informed about reality down there (I lived in 
Chiapas 2 winters, Guatemala 4), please subscribe to the mailing list 
that the NY Times says has prevented more Mexican Army massacres:

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> Want to come with me tomorrow? I'm going down to the library to re-read
> the history of the Indians of Meso-America.  I like the part about the
> hundreds of thousands of peasants who had their hearts cut out without
> anesthesia, so that the Emperor could collect lots of taxes on an abundant
> harvest.  Damn shame that the Spaniards came along and destroyed a
> culture, ya know? 

Having lived with Mayans for 6 winters I still have my heart and suggest 
you don't hold the campesinos responsible for their "emperor's" actions 
of centuries ago.

Stop fighting the cold war and against the past and transcend virtual 
reality and see how others really live and act. Or is your ignorance such 
bliss? My Mayan friends are some of the finest I have. 


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