From: Paul Kanz <paul@icx.com>
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 02:20:59 +0800
To: jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com>
Subject: Re: Charter of PDX Cpunk meetings
In-Reply-To: <m0tiGg6-0008zpC@pacifier.com>
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Now, hold on here.  I was at the meeting and I don't know what you are 
referring to as "highly unethical behavior", could you expand this 
for myself and others.

As for "FOR:  I've received commentary which suggests that they believe that
key-signing somehow vouches for the HONESTY of the person involved; not his
IDENTITY."  Unless I'm in the minority, the key-signing process IS NOT a test 
to determine if the person is a 'honest' person, but to ensure that the keys 
where valid and that someone did not make a mistake somewhere.

Keep in mind that the meeting was a mixer, not a board of directors meeting - 
take a chill pill.

-Paul      

On Fri, 2 Feb 1996, jim bell wrote:

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> At 10:52 PM 2/1/96 -0800, Alan Olsen wrote:
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> >
> >I requested that this debate be taken to private e-mail.  Since you seem to 
> >not want to do that, and since you insist of making false and unrealistic 
> >claims, 
> 
> Which "false and unrealistic claims"?
> 
> 
> I am removing your name from the subscription list for 
> >pdx-cypherpunks.
> 
> This isn't a DEBATE.  It is a WARNING to all other potential suckers in the 
> Portland Oregon area that Alan Olsen engaged in highly unethical behavior 
> with regards to the recent cypherpunks meeting, flamed me without 
> justification in the national list, failed to respond to security inquiries, 
> failed to deny issues and matters of truth, and failed to properly deal with 
> a situation that he had a responsibility to handle ethically.  Not to 
> mention lying in the comment above.
> 
> I am going to take this to the national list, because you took it there 
> first in your original flame:  I am going to point out that you flamed me 
> for no good reason; you engaged in a "knee-jerk" "debunking" without even 
> knowing what you were ostensibly "debunking,"  that you failed to respond to 
> my polite request for clarification; that you've attempted to pretend that I 
> was somehow at fault for noticing your transgressions; that your local 
> clique is pre-programmed to defend you in the face of your transgressions.  
> I notice that some of them don't even know what a key-signing meeting is 
> FOR:  I've received commentary which suggests that they believe that 
> key-signing somehow vouches for the HONESTY of the person involved; not his 
> IDENTITY.
> 
> Until you start responding substantively to legitimate complaints, that is 
> all you deserve.  The public needs to be warned about people like you.
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