From: jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com>
Date: Sun, 14 Apr 1996 14:52:00 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Anonymous Remailer threat: Scientologists may subpoena
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At 02:30 PM 4/13/96 -0400, s1113645@tesla.cc.uottawa.ca wrote:
>
>
>On Wed, 10 Apr 1996, sameer wrote:
>
>> 
>> 	Frankly, I'm getting antsy. Is C2 going to get subpoena'd or
>> not? I would be very disappointed if we don't.
>> 	(Subpeonas envy!)
>
>All you have to do is call up CoS's lawyers. Let your fingers do the 
>walking...
>
>Seriously though, might it not be nicer (easier?) to establish some court
>precedents on remailers vs. CoS rather than the government? Think of it as
>a preemptive strike.

Sounds like forum shopping/defendant shopping/plaintiff shopping.  An 
excellent idea.  The best part is that COS is one of the most unsympathetic 
organizations that could possibly be chosen, with the possible exception of 
the American Nazi Party or the KKK.  


 The argument of CoS's religious copyright and trade
>secrets don't seem to me be as emotionally effective horsemen as "National
>Security Threats" or "Child Pornography". I really wouldn't want to see
>Congress get away with legislating on remailers in a legal vacuum. 

I sure hesitate to "hope" that the COS thing gets turned into an SC 
decision, because that means that SOME defendant has to get pulled through 
the ringer until he eventually wins.  Great for us; terrible for him.

>Go for it Sameer. ;-) (Hope you won't be needing Jim's ISP-Aspol inc. 
>insurance against them pesky scientologists...[double ;-) ])

It's at this point that somebody usually observes that the COS could use AP 
to get rid of its critics.  However, they're forgetting that with AP, its 
critics can remain absolutely anonymous and still punish COS.  It would be 
no contest.