From: Declan McCullagh <declan@eff.org>
Date: Sat, 5 Oct 1996 01:56:17 +0800
To: Mark Heaney <apteryx@super.zippo.com>
Subject: Re: Fighting Clipper III
In-Reply-To: <325b245d.288509144@super.zippo.com>
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Point taken. And for the record, I've learned that Netscape pays an
upfront fee to RSA; RSA doesn't get royalties. 

-Declan


On Thu, 3 Oct 1996, Mark Heaney wrote:

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> erm, a boycott means not _buying_ a product, as opposed to not _using_ a
> product. In the case of PGP, I never intended to purchase it from RSA. As
> for Netscape, there are other browsers out there (or so I heard). 
> 
> Realistically, a boycott is likely to be ineffective. Writing letters to
> companies and congresshmucks and working with non-US crypto companies to
> create a standard that can be legally imported into the US (for now) would
> be more effective, IMHO. Boycotts rely on large numbers of participants,
> and not enough people understand or care about encryption. We'd be better
> off trying to change that first.
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> On Thu, 3 Oct 1996 06:37:45 -0700 (PDT), Declan McCullagh <declan@eff.org>
> wrote:
> 
> >You'll have trouble doing a successful boycott of RSA. What, you won't 
> >use Netscape Navigator or PGP?
> >
> >-Declan
> >
> >
> >On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, Jim McCoy wrote:
> >
> >> Rich Burroughs <richieb@teleport.com> wrote:
> >> [...]
> >> >>>On Wed, 2 Oct 1996, John Young wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>>    The New York Times, October 2, 1996, pp. D1, D8.
> >> >>>>    Executives of the International Business Machines
> >> >>>>    Corporation said late yesterday that they were still lining
> >> >>>>    up the final list of companies in the alliance. Those
> >> >>>>    involved will include Digital Equipment and smaller
> >> >>>>    data-security companies including RSA Data Security, Cylink
> >> >>>>    and Trusted Information Systems.
> >> >>>
> >> >>>We are in deep trouble.
> >> >>
> >> >>Wouldn't a letter-writing campaign be in order here?
> >> >[snip]
> >> >
> >> >The word "boycott" leaped into my mind.  I personally do not believe that I
> >> >will be buying products from any of these companies, as long as thay
> >> >participate in this GAK charade.
> >> 
> >> Such an initiative will need publicity and letter-writing early in the
> >> campaign will help us set the tone and points of debate on this issue.
> >> A boycott works best when everyone knows why and there are a few key
> >> phrases which can be used to get the message across.  Something like
> >> "company X is helping build big brother, boycott their products" or a
> >> few similar sound bites are needed fast.  The big brother inside stickers
> >> from the last campaign were nice, maybe people can come up with variations
> >> of various corporate logos or marketting phrases which help get the message
> >> across?
> >> 
> >> jim
> >> 
> >> 
> >
> >
> >// declan@eff.org // I do not represent the EFF // declan@well.com //
> >
> >
> >
> 
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