From: aga <aga@dhp.com>
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 1996 01:56:01 -0800 (PST)
To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
Subject: Re: Money-making ideas for Igor Chudov
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On Mon, 11 Nov 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:

> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 96 12:22:48 EST
> From: "Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM" <dlv@bwalk.dm.com>
> Reply-To: freedom-knights@jetcafe.org
> To: cypherpunks@toad.com
> Subject: Money-making ideas for Igor Chudov
> 
> "Igor 'FUCK MNE HARDER' Chudov @ home" <ichudov@algebra.com> writes:
> 

algebra.com is a suspect domain.

> > manifold::~==>premail -t cypherpunks@toad.com
> > Chain: haystack;jam
> > Subject: I urgently need a lot of money.
> >
> > Please share your money-making secrets, I am in a desperate need
> > for cash.
> 
> For shame! Igor Chewed-off disgraces his Chewish Mommy by even asking. Isn't
> propensity for "gesheft" genetic? Here's another money-making idea for Igor:
> 
> Igor obtains a list of e-mail addresses of people interested in equity-related
> investments (e.g. by watching misc.invest.* and sending the posters / those who
> voted for their creation unsolicited e-mail; or by posting anonymous ads,
> inviting the readers to reply to a reply block in order to receive 3 free
> promotional issues of an investment advice newsletter; or even by starting up
> his own private financial derivatives mailing list). Igor divides the mailing
> list into 2^3=8 parts, and gives them exotic Russian-sounding names: Aleksej,
> Boris, Vasilij, Grigorij, Dmitrij, Elena, Zhenja, Zoya.
> 
> Igor then uses an anonymous remailer to spam everyone on his mailing list with
> the 8 variants of the following message: "Congratulations! You have won 3 free
> issued of the _Boris Investment Newsletter, published in Tulsa, Oklahoma, by a
> proud holder of a Master's Degree in Financial Engineering from the Moscow
> State University. I predict that within the next month Adobe stock will go up."
> 
> Instead of "Boris", Igor will substitute one of the 8 newsletter names; instead
> of Adobe, he can use any volatile stock that's as likely to go up as down; and
> the predicted stock price movement will be "up" in the first four newsletters
> and "down" in the other four.
> 
> One month later the stock in question is either up or down. Without loss of
> generality, suppose that it's gone down. Aleksej, Boris, Vasilij, and
> Grigorij's investment advice was wrong, they disappear from the face of the
> earth, and the former recipients of their newsletters don't get bothered any
> more. (Or they could be recycled for future scams; or they could be send the
> remaining 2 issues of worthless advice, as promised.) On the other hand
> Dmitrij, Elena, Zhenja, and Zoya guessed right, so this time they send out a
> new investment newsletter via the anonymous remailers:
> 
> "Congratulations! You continue to receive the free investment advice newsletter
> from Zoya in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Last month I correctly predicted that Adobe will
> have gone down. If you're smart, you've shorted Adobe's stock and made lots of
> money by now. This month I predict that Cisco will go _down as well."
> 
> Again, Dmitrij and Elena predict that some other volatile stock goes up, while
> Zhenja and Zoya predict that it goes down. Suppose D&E are right. Igor leaves
> the Zh.&Z. partitions alone. One month later D&E's subscribers get letter #3:
> 
> "Congratulations! You continue to receive the free investment advice newsletter
> from Elena in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Two months ago I predicted that Adobe would go
> down. I hope you sold it short. Last month I predicted that Cisco would go up.
> I hope you bought it. This month I predict that Lucent will go _up."
> 
> One month later one of the two is right, so its recipients get the fourth and
> final e-mail from an anonymous remailer, this time using a reply block:
> 
> "I've given you three free stock tips over the last 3 months which probably
> made you a lot of money. Now that you've seen my track record, you'll want to
> continue receiving my free advice, but the free promotion is over. Please send
> $20 in untraceable digital cash to this reply block to receive 6 future
> issues."
> 
> Quite a few people would risk the $20, but that would be the last they hear
> from Igor. :-)
> 
> (Alternatively, he can even e-mail 6 more issues of worthless advice to those
> who caughed up the $20, so they can't complain. It would be hard to prosecute
> Igor without proving that all 8 newsletters were published by the same person
> who's been giving contradictory advice to different people.)
> 
But what Law would you charge him with?
Unless you could prove his "intent" I see no way that you
could ever prove any case against him.


> "Credibility is expendable." - John Gilmore
> 

He just says that because he spent his.

> ---
> 
> Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
> Brighton Beach Boardwalk BBS, Forest Hills, N.Y.: +1-718-261-2013, 14.4Kbps
> 

when we got the info that the Startronix was going to be late,
we sold STNX short at $1.03 ...

They are almost two months late; is STNX it a hoax?


-aga