From: snow <snow@smoke.suba.com>
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 1996 14:45:16 -0800 (PST)
To: security@kinch.ark.com (Dave Kinchlea)
Subject: Re: wealth and property rights
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> On Wed, 27 Nov 1996, Clay Olbon II wrote:
> > This is provably bullshit.  Look at the HUGE numbers of people in this
> > country who make the economic decision to do nothing and go on welfare vs.
> > going to work.  Examine carefully the economic performance of the US vs the
> I don't know how much people get on welfare in your country but I
> suspect that it is even less than in this country (Canada). Anyone who
> truly believes that people make the `economic decision to do nothing and
> go on welfare vs. going to work' has, in my opinion, no &^%* idea what

     If you think that most people on welfare live _purely_ off welfare 
then you are smokin stupid weed. 

> they are talking about. Just try to *live* on a welfare wage for a few
> months to see how silly this thought is. While there may well be a few
> `welfare-moms' (which is not necessarily a bad thing, taking care of
> children is an investment for society), the vast majority of people on

     I would like to formally invite you to come live in my neighborhood 
for a couple weeks and see how these "welfare" moms are "taking care of 
their children". 

 welfare (at least here)  would *much* rather get a decent job and work
> for their money. There are, perhaps, a few people who would rather not
> work for minimum wage (who find it impossible to feed their family on
> that) but I suspect that those folks are few and far between. 

     You are living in a dream world. In most major cities there are NO 
full time minimum wage jobs left, other than waiting tables (which pays 
minimum + tips) Macdonalds starts people at 6 to 6.50 an hour. 

> > More bullshit.  You don't know what anyones motives are.  To ascribe your
> > motivations to Bill Gates is unrealistic.  
> But you claim to know the motives of those on welfare: pot->kettle->black
> Just to be clear, I don't really agree with the original points being
> made, but your views seem just as far off as the ones you are opposing, 
> perhaps further. 

    Speaking of Pot Kettle Black. 

    In the Chicago paper last sunday there were over 30 pages of Help Wanted 
ads. There is a lot of work out there, and there are a lot of agencies who
will help you find work, and train for work. There is no reason why anyone 
needs welfare. Stupid and lazy is not a reason. 


Petro, Christopher C.
petro@suba.com <prefered for any non-list stuff>
snow@smoke.suba.com