1996-12-03 - Re: Logos here

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From: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
To: logos@c2.net (LOGOS)
Message Hash: 18bb90e9b1df2759fa1b0cb460997bddee7b4807dba4a50a53f92a6ce2c04588
Message ID: <199612030753.BAA02432@manifold.algebra.com>
Reply To: <Pine.BSF.3.91.961202220347.2616A-100000@blacklodge.c2.net>
UTC Datetime: 1996-12-03 08:16:54 UTC
Raw Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:16:54 -0800 (PST)

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From: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 1996 00:16:54 -0800 (PST)
To: logos@c2.net (LOGOS)
Subject: Re: Logos here
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Message-ID: <199612030753.BAA02432@manifold.algebra.com>
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[Cc'ed to Bill Palmer himself. Bill, use 'Group Reply' button if you
want your replies to be seen by all participants.]


I suggest contacting Bill Palmer, wilhelp@ix.netcom.com. You will find
that Bill's and your opinions on many issues are very close.

Best regards to both of you,

	- Igor.

LOGOS wrote:
> Sovereign collegues,
>      I am Logos. I have adopted this pseudonym to conceal my
> 'true name'. I want the ideas which I shall be espousing
> to stand or fall on their own merits and not on the basis
> of biases that my name, sex, ethnicity, etc. might otherwise
> elicit. I hope my contributions to this list will be seen as
> positive by most list members.
>      I intend to limit my postings to only two meta-topics:
> decorum and logic. In other words, the way we speak to each
> other and the quality of our argumentation.
> Decorum
>      From time to time, I will 'call' posters on their
> intemperate use of rude or provocative language. I believe
> Cypherpunks should be a market place of ideas, not a forum
> for egos and insults.
>      The two houses of the American congress have adopted
> rules of decorum. Members may be censored or expelled for
> personal attacks and verbal abuse of other members. This
> was mandated for a very practical reason. It was realized
> that insults, profanity, 'fighting words', etc. could get so
> out of hand that they could interfer with the legitimate
> work of the congress. While some might say that in the case
> of the congress, this would be a good thing, I believe in
> the case of Cypherpunks, it is a bad thing.
>      I, therefore, call upon each Cypherpunk list members to
> personally adopt such a code of conduct for themselves.  If
> Democrats can refer to Representative Gingrich as 'my
> esteemed collegue' and Republicans can talk about the
> 'honorable' Ted Kennedy, I see no reason that we cannot
> treat Tim May and Dimitry Vilus with similar respect and
> courtesy.  What is at stake is far more important than egos.
> Cypherpunks defeated Clipper, but of late they have only
> defeated themselves.
> Logic
>      The average reader of this list has sufficient
> education and intelligent to understand the most informal
> logical falacies. Yet one sees such falacies committed here
> with disapointing regularity. I will post definitions of the
> most common falacies and will use examples found on this
> list as illustrations. If we are to be persuasive among
> ourselves and with others, we need to be rigorous in our
> thought processes.
> I would be honored to hear your thoughts on this post.
> Logos out.

	- Igor.