From: jim bell <jimbell@pacifier.com>
Date: Sun, 1 Dec 1996 11:48:18 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: denial of service and government rights
Message-ID: <199612011948.LAA08876@mail.pacifier.com>
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At 09:25 PM 11/30/96 -0500, Tired.Fighter@dhp.com wrote:
>On 30 Nov 96 at 13:10, Black Unicorn wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 29 Nov 1996, Greg Broiles wrote:
>
>> [...]
>> 
>> > I don't see any reason why this wouldn't be true for a
>> > computer. Fed.Rul.Crim.Pro. 41(b)(1) allows the seizure 
>> > (but seizure is not forfeiture) of "property that 
>> > constitutes evidence of the commission of a
>> > criminal offense". 
>> 
>> It is true of computers.
>> Take the case of Ripco (the Chicago BBS raided in the 
>> SunDevil raids back when).
>> 
>> I don't think "Dr. Ripco" has yet gotten his equipment 
>> back.  I don't know for sure, but what I do know is 
>> that 5 years after the raid, he still had certainly 
>> not gotten anything back.

Unicorn has a long history of reciting government abuses, but then failing 
to provide any sort of answer to them.  My solution (AP:  "Assassination 
Politics") would make such abuse fatal. 
 
Jim Bell
jimbell@pacifier.com