1996-12-24 - Both John Gilmore and Ray Arachelian are liars

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From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Message Hash: 5107ffccb7d1083158cbe30beb5c512ba92cbd3d80771019aee253d2cf287888
Message ID: <T59eZD46w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
Reply To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961223161752.17839A-100000@beast.brainlink.com>
UTC Datetime: 1996-12-24 03:50:18 UTC
Raw Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:50:18 -0800 (PST)

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From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
Date: Mon, 23 Dec 1996 19:50:18 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Both John Gilmore and Ray Arachelian are liars
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961223161752.17839A-100000@beast.brainlink.com>
Message-ID: <T59eZD46w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
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Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:

> On Mon, 23 Dec 1996, Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
> > John Gilmore unsubscribed me from this mailing list (in a very rude manner)
> > and I am not allowed to resubscribe. I am not subscribed to this mailing li
> Funny, you post messages here, you read messages from here, IMHO, you
> haven't been unscumscribed.

Now you're calling John Gilmore a liar, because he admitted pulling my plug:

]Received: (from majordom@localhost) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) id CAA17866 for cypherpunks-outgoing; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:13:32 -0800 (PST)
]Received: from localhost (localhost []) by toad.com (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id CAA17861; Sat, 2 Nov 1996 02:13:26 -0800 (PST)
]Message-Id: <199611021013.CAA17861@toad.com>
]X-Authentication-Warning: toad.com: Host localhost [] didn't use HELO protocol
]To: cypherpunks@toad.com, gnu@toad.com
]Subject: Dr. Vulis is not on cypherpunks any more
]Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 02:13:26 -0800
]From: John Gilmore <gnu@toad.com>
]Sender: owner-cypherpunks@toad.com
]Precedence: bulk
]As stated by Dr. Vulis, he is no longer on the cypherpunks mailing
]list, and indeed majordomo@toad.com HAS been instructed to ignore his
]requests to resubscribe.
]I removed him, on my own initiative.  I got tired of asking him to
]stop stirring up flames.  When he posted a message saying that we'd
]have to use technical means to stop him from flaming the list, I said,
]Tim May was not involved.
]I've met Dr. Vulis in person.  He seemed like a reasonable guy.  I
]treated him that way for months, despite his inability to control
]himself on the list.  When he ultimately declined to control his
]outbursts after numerous personal requests, I removed him.
]The cypherpunks list is for discussions centered around cryptography.
]I'm sure there are several mailing lists where ethnic cleansing
]discussions would be welcome.  There are probably even mailing lists
]which encourage people to fire off their best inflammatory messages.
]If there aren't, Dr Vulis could start one.  I don't sponsor any.
]Cypherpunks, please resist your own temptation to bait him (or anyone
]else).  The best defense a mailing list has against flames is to
]simply ignore them.  When they don't provoke an emotional response,
]they don't accomplish the poster's goal, and the poster eventually
]wanders off in search of more naive pastures.
]	John Gilmore

Note that John clearly unsubscribed me because he didn't like the contents
of my messages. Later Timmy May claimed that it had something to do with the
size of my submissions (another lie).


Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM
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