From: Nathan Eberhardt <eberha14@pilot.msu.edu>
Date: Sun, 12 Jan 1997 14:41:49 -0800 (PST)
To: aga <aga@dhp.com>
Subject: Re: KILL cypherpunks !!!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.95.961125052017.6797B-200000@dhp.com>
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aga wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, Black Unicorn wrote:
> 
> dude, you put the cypherpunks list in the header again.
> You really want that list killed, do you not?
> 
> > On Sun, 24 Nov 1996, aga wrote:
> >
> > > > > Not really, I had an I.Q. of 149, and a perfect 4.00 from
> > > > > two different colleges, before I did my Doctorate in Law.
> > > >
> > > > 149 puts you at the low end of the scale, or used to, around here.
> > > >
> > >
> > > True, they say genius only starts at 150; but I think I have
> > > improved since then.
> >
> > This betrays your ignorance.  I.Q. is scaled according to age.  One does
> > not "improve."
> >
> 
> I have no ignorance, except for being ignorant of stupid people
> who call themselves "punks."
> 
> > > > The fact (if true) that you bothered to get a Doctorate in Law, rather
> > > > than a Juris Doctor, tends to disprove the above however.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Look dude, a Juris Doctor IS a Doctorate of Law.
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> 
> Look asshole; it says "LAW DOCTOR" -- that is what "Juris Doctor"
> means, stupid.  And I am about to stick the motherfucking Laws
> right up your cocksucking ASS!
> 
> > One can obtain a Doctorate in Law, (As in Dr.) but it is generally a
> > pointless endeavor except in some civil law jurisdictions.  (Liechtenstein
> > is a good example, where many attornies have a Dr.Iur. (Dr.) while others
> > merely have a Lic.Iur. (J.D.) ).
> >
> > A J.D. requires no dissertation.
> > A Doctorate in Law does.
> >
> 
> Wrong.  A J.D. requires a 75 page moot-court dissertation which
> is always new legal research.
> 
> > I submit you know too little about any of these to have attained either
> > one.
> >
> > > Do not confuse it with a L.L.D. which is a "Doctorate
> > > of Legal Letters"  A J.D. is the only current valid
> > > Doctorate that you can do in plain "Law."
> >
> > Incorrect.
> >
> > A J.D. is not a true Doctorate, and even if it were, it would not be the
> > only current valid "Doctorate" that you can "do" in "plain Law."
> >
> 
> "Juris" means Law.  So Juris Doctor means "Law Doctor."
> 
> > Georgetown, as an example, offers a Doctorate in Law degree which requires
> > a J.D., an LL.M. and three years of legal teaching experience simply to
> > qualify for the program.
> >
> 
> that is irrelevant, and you are off-topic.
> 
> > A Doctor of Judicial Science program is also available with many of the
> > same requirements.
> >
> > Both programs require a dissertation and a defense of same.
> >
> > San Marcos University is also known for an exceptional Doctor of Laws
> > program.
> >
> > Incidently, LL.D.s are rare and generally useful only in European circles.
> >
> 
> Europe is also irrelevant, and you keep missing the point here.
> You have added the cypherpunks list again, and that was forbidden.
> 
> > As usual, you have overextended your bounds and now find yourself swimming
> > in water over your head.
> >
> 
> look asshole, you really want that list killed, do you not?
> I have no bounds, as you will soon learn.
> 
> > > > >
> > > > > > Go to law school.  In the meantime, shut up.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Go and eat your swiss cheese, as that is apparently all you
> > > > > are good for.  My mercenaries are too busy to go to europe
> > > > > right now.
> > > >
> > > > I prefer Chedder.
> > > >
> > > > Be careful who you threaten.  It might get you in trouble.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Threatening to wipe out your location on the InterNet is
> > > not against ANY law whatsoever, and I can mailbomb you, do
> > > a DOS attack, fork-bomb attack and virus attack against you,
> > > all of which are perfectly legal.
> >
> > Actually, they are not.  Unauthorized access of a computer system is a
> > crime.  Anyone who had a "doctorate" in law would know this.
> >
> 
> WRONG!  There is NO crime which covers anything that one does
> internationally!   And mailbombing is NOT "Unauthorized access,"
> regardless of where it occurs!
> 
> > I doubt your reference to mercenaries was merely a threat to my system,
> > but keep pushing if you like.
> >
> > > > > Look asshole, I graduated from Law School with a Doctorate
> > > > > in 1975.  Now just go away and stop interfering with our
> > > > > American Net.
> >
> > Which law school?  And did you do a dissertation?  What is its title?  Do
> > you practice?  What state are you licensed in?
> >
> 
> Pitt-1975; Dissertation was in 1983 actions.  I practiced for
> six years, and then became perfect.  I currently do not practice for
> any parties other than myself, family, corporation or Institutes,
> and I need no license for that. And since I do not carry any
> license from any State, there is NOTHING that you can do to stop me.
> The State disciplinary board has no jurisdiction, nor does any
> Law.  A Criminal Lawyer is a specialist in ripping new assholes
> on the witness stand, and that must now also be practiced on the net,
> it seems.  Remember, you are the one who asked for this, "Sadam."
> 
> This is a world-wide internet problem that you are about to get
> taken care of.  You will be among the first locations to be
> eliminated.  And just remember that your termination is your own
> doing.  You had your chance to keep the fucking cypherpunks list
> OFF of your e-mail to me, and blew it.
> 
> > > Face the real fact of life though dude.  There is absolutely NO LAW
> > > which prevents me from attacking and/or eliminating any address
> > > outside of the USA, that is, even if there were any law which would
> > > prevent me from doing the same thing to any non-government
> > > computer right here, which there is not.
> >
> > Ok, do it.  We'll see.
> >
> 
> You asked for it, so what you have coming is your own doing.
> 
> > > Your only protection on this Internet is to have a dozen different
> > > addresses to access from.  I can put a dozen computers up on
> > > a dozen different T1's right now, if need be.
> >
> > I suggest a hobby which entails more physical activity.
> >
> 
> I pump iron and run three times a week.  And as a Tae Kwon Do
> black belt holder, I get lots of physical activity. I am in
> better physical shape than any other man that you know.
> 
> > --
> > Forward complaints to : European Association of Envelope Manufactures
> > Finger for Public Key   Gutenbergstrasse 21;Postfach;CH-3001;Bern
> > Vote Monarchist         Switzerland
> >
> 
> Now YOU have added the cypherpunks list again.
> A proper reaction is justified, so have the cypherpunks
> thank you for what is coming...
> 
> And just understand, as far as the internet is concerned, Europe does
> not mean SHIT!
> 
> Your audience is terminated, permanently.
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> From doc@pgh.org Fri Sep 20 08:50:37 1996
> Date: Thu, 19 Sep 1996 10:21:33 -0400
> From: Net Doctor <doc@pgh.org>
> To: aga@dhp.com
> Cc: manus@pgh.org
> Subject: manetelg
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