From: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 1997 21:36:39 -0800 (PST)
To: declan@well.com
Subject: Re: Jim Bell raid
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.3.95.970404002508.11418A-100000@cp.pathfinder.com>
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Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> Yes, there are. I have a copy of the search warrant, IRS affidavit, and
> list of seized items. Beyond that, there's nothing else in the court
> record. And the U.S. Attorney isn't saying much.

This is cool. Could you post them? That woul;d be interesting.

igor


> -Declan
> 
> On Thu, 3 Apr 1997, Igor Chudov @ home wrote:
> 
> > To all lawyers out there: aren't there PUBLIC RECORDS that contain
> > teh search warrant with the probably cause explanation and other
> > material? It would be interesting to send a letter to some court
> > and ask for all public record stuff about jimbell.
> > 
> > just an idea
> > 
> > igor
> > 
> > Duncan Frissell wrote:
> > > 
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> > > At 12:16 PM 4/3/97 -0800, Greg Broiles wrote:
> > > 
> > > >It looks to me like this is real. Yow. Jim Bell is a goddamn loon, but I
> > > >haven't seen him write anything that I thought was criminal. 
> > > 
> > > The government persists in harassing or arresting people in these 1st
> > > Amendment cases even though they know they will not even be able to survive a
> > > motion to dismiss.  It seems to be recreational for them.  You can tell
> > > they're not serious because they didn't arrest Jim.   
> > > 
> > > JB has certainly managed to get noticed amongst all the "noise" out there in
> > > the world.  Very difficult to do.  And it's getting worse with the Nets.  How
> > > many death threats must whitehouse.gov get these days?  They probably lack
> > > the person power to investigate all of them.  
> > > 
> > > This will be another one where the raid gets publicity and the failure to
> > > prosecute is only noticed by a few.  When they drop him, he should trumpet it
> > > far and wide.  The dropping of the Jake Baker case got little publicity and I
> > > even had another lawyer on one of the law lists say that he thought they
> > > might try for another indictment.  I knew they'd never get anywhere.
> > > 
> > > In those very rare cases where you get a guaranteed government loss criminal
> > > investigation/prosecution the party involved should verbally abuse the
> > > government and point out their manifest pathetic weakness.  It is very rare
> > > to be in that situation because the government won't usually back a loser.  I
> > > urged Phil Z. to take an aggressive approach in his case but he felt
> > > uncomfortable about the idea.  Perhaps as a "leftie" he granted the inherent
> > > authority of the government and was reluctant to bash it.
> > > 
> > > So, JB, find a Portland cybercafe and let 'em have it.
> > > 
> > > DCF
> > > 
> > > "Obligatory John Donne quote:  Do Not Ask For Whom the Bell Tools.  It Tolls
> > > For Thee."
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> > 
> > 	- Igor.
> > 
> > 
> 



	- Igor.