From: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Tue, 6 May 1997 04:35:07 +0800
To: paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk (Paul Bradley)
Subject: Re: Rape, death and XS4ALL
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sounds like high time to get out of that country.

plus, in america programmers get paid a lot better than there.

igor

Paul Bradley wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > > > A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
> > > > .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
> > > > the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
> > > > or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
> > > > certificate will be refused.
> > 
> > What would be an example of such political dissention?
> 
> Well, I`m pretty sure that, having recently been involved in campaigns 
> against the ban on handguns, written to a number of people in positions 
> of power over the proposed TTP scheme in the DTI white paper etc. my 
> firearms licence will not be renewed the next time it comes up for review.
> The powers that be now presumably see me as a loon.
> 
> A damning enditement on the British people is that last time I mentioned 
> to someone my having written to the home office and others over the 
> proposed gun ban I was called a lunatic and told "The sort of person who 
> writes to the home office over something like that is the least suitable 
> to have a gun".
> 
> I can assure you this is not a one-off, this happens every time people who 
> don`t shoot find out I do. They have been brainwashed by the 
> tabloid press, for example, the daily mail ran a particularly vitriolic 
> hate campaign against gun owners singling out Albie Fox, leader of the 
> campaign against the ban, and calling him a "Gun obsessed lunatic".
> This, recall, is the same daily mail which rants every day about the 
> "evil of drugs" and how the only way to "save society" is to throw 
> everyone who doesn`t support their particular brand of bigoted fanaticism 
> into jail for the rest of their life.
> 
> And of course, one would imagine that those who actually owned guns and 
> used them for sport themselves would be the most informed people who 
> would realise that the criminal use of guns is at the opposite end of the 
> scale to the sporting use allowed in British law. However, I know several 
> people who have said "I`m happy to give up my guns if it will save 
> lives", to this I simply reply "who were you going to kill?" then walk 
> away, these people don`t even deserve correcting as their bullshit is so 
> deep.
> 
> In addition, when the police revoke or refuse to renew a firearms 
> certificate, they do not need to give a reason, so one cannot even prove 
> that it was because of speech or opinions they didn`t like that they 
> revoked the certificate. Even if you could, it is unlikely a challenge in 
> court would succeed, the UK does not have the same free speech guarantees 
> as are given in the US and elsewhere, and any court challenge would fail, 
> of that I am sure.
> 
> Also, to worsen the situation, the labour party has now come to power and 
> as I have already explained in a previous post this make matters even worse.
> 
> 



	- Igor.