From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com>
Date: Wed, 7 May 1997 20:50:29 +0800
To: Paul Bradley <paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk>
Subject: Re: Rape, death and XS4ALL
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In <Pine.LNX.3.91.970505102129.509B-100000@fatmans.demon.co.uk>, on
05/05/97 at 04:37 AM,
   Paul Bradley <paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk> said:




>> > > A ban on all handguns even when registered (currently all pistols above 
>> > > .22 are banned and all guns have to be registered in a process whereby if 
>> > > the applicant for a certificate has any history of political dissention 
>> > > or crime (eg. Smoking a joint, the ultimate sin against society) the 
>> > > certificate will be refused.
>> 
>> What would be an example of such political dissention?

>Well, I`m pretty sure that, having recently been involved in campaigns 
>against the ban on handguns, written to a number of people in positions 
>of power over the proposed TTP scheme in the DTI white paper etc. my 
>firearms licence will not be renewed the next time it comes up for review.
>The powers that be now presumably see me as a loon.

>A damning enditement on the British people is that last time I mentioned 
>to someone my having written to the home office and others over the 
>proposed gun ban I was called a lunatic and told "The sort of person who 
>writes to the home office over something like that is the least suitable 
>to have a gun".

>I can assure you this is not a one-off, this happens every time people who
> don`t shoot find out I do. They have been brainwashed by the  tabloid
>press, for example, the daily mail ran a particularly vitriolic  hate
>campaign against gun owners singling out Albie Fox, leader of the 
>campaign against the ban, and calling him a "Gun obsessed lunatic". This,
>recall, is the same daily mail which rants every day about the  "evil of
>drugs" and how the only way to "save society" is to throw  everyone who
>doesn`t support their particular brand of bigoted fanaticism  into jail
>for the rest of their life.

>And of course, one would imagine that those who actually owned guns and 
>used them for sport themselves would be the most informed people who 
>would realise that the criminal use of guns is at the opposite end of the 
>scale to the sporting use allowed in British law. However, I know several 
>people who have said "I`m happy to give up my guns if it will save 
>lives", to this I simply reply "who were you going to kill?" then walk 
>away, these people don`t even deserve correcting as their bullshit is so 
>deep.

>In addition, when the police revoke or refuse to renew a firearms 
>certificate, they do not need to give a reason, so one cannot even prove 
>that it was because of speech or opinions they didn`t like that they 
>revoked the certificate. Even if you could, it is unlikely a challenge in 
>court would succeed, the UK does not have the same free speech guarantees 
>as are given in the US and elsewhere, and any court challenge would fail, 
>of that I am sure.

>Also, to worsen the situation, the labour party has now come to power and 
>as I have already explained in a previous post this make matters even
>worse.

Well wait until after the next elections when we have a Republican
administration and apply for political asylum. :)

Someday the revolution will come and we can roundup all these bastards for
"crimes against Democracy". Anyone for Nurnburg II? -- 
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