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1997-11-19 - Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism

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From: “Colin A. Reed” <aleph@cco.caltech.edu>
To: Tim May <declan@well.com>
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Message ID: <3.0.3.32.19971118211756.00c91a60@pop-server.caltech.edu>
Reply To: <3.0.16.19971118231927.0dc71f6e@pop.mindspring.com>
UTC Datetime: 1997-11-19 05:31:19 UTC
Raw Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:31:19 +0800

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From: "Colin A. Reed" <aleph@cco.caltech.edu>
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 13:31:19 +0800
To: Tim May <declan@well.com>
Subject: Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
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At 08:12 PM 11/18/97 -0700, Tim May wrote:
>At 10:34 PM -0700 11/18/97, Mikhael Frieden wrote:
>>At 06:53 PM 11/18/97 -0600, William H. Geiger III wrote:
>
>>>I think that there is plenty of case law of extending constutional
>>>protections to non-citizens. One that comes to mind were the rulings
>>>against California inwhich the courts ruled the they were obligated to
>>>provide schooling and social services to illegal aliens (a really fucked
>>>rulling IMNSHO but if some good can come out of it no sense not making use
>>>of it).
>>
>>        In a much more fundamental sense, if they were not given
>>constitutional protections they really could be rounded up and bussed
>>across the border.
>
>And what would be wrong with this?
>
>If they're not citizens, and not on a valid visa, they have no legal right
>to be in the U.S.
>
I think the most important constitutional protection is that of
due-process.  Thus we need to have a court proceeding to determine that
they really are in the US without a valid visa before we can bus them out.  

>(At a more abstract level, I support the idea of completely open borders,
>provided we end all forcible contributions to welfare, medical care,
>schools, job quotas, etc. But so long as taxpayers are paying 60% of
>everything earned, as I am, to support others, the rules about entry to the
>U.S. must be enforced.)
>
>Ironically, the authorities are refusing to enforce the immigration laws.
>This is why the militias here in California have been forced to deal with
>illegal immigrants in the only way left to them. (There's a hunt in
>Imperial Valley this coming Saturday.)
>
>--Tim May
>
>The Feds have shown their hand: they want a ban on domestic cryptography
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>Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
>ComSec 3DES:   408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
>W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
>Higher Power: 2^2,976,221   | black markets, collapse of governments.
>"National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
>
>
>
>
>


                             -Colin

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