From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Jun 1998 16:49:02 -0700 (PDT)
To: attila <attila@hun.org>
Subject: Re: Banning privacy: A radical proposal
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.3.96.980624160038.424A-100000@hun.org>
Message-ID: <199806242352.SAA029.59@geiger.com>
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In <Pine.BSF.3.96.980624160038.424A-100000@hun.org>, on 06/24/98 
   at 11:10 AM, attila <attila@hun.org> said:

>> Hey William, that's called "woman freedom to choose".  Woman right precedes the 
>> baby-that-might-be rights for she is the sine-qua-none condition for the baby-who-might-be 
>> to exist.
>>
>    as I said, I am personally against abortion, but your point is
>    absolutely correct: it is "the freedom to chose" on the part of
>    the woman who must carry the _potential_ child to term  --and,
>    yes, the woman is the 'sine qua non' condition.

The woman made her choice when her legs went up in the air. Because she
does not wish to be inconvenienced by the consequences of her actions does
not give here the right to commit murder.


>    what the absolutists in the Right to Life movements do not
>    understand, and refuse to accept, is that they have _no_ God
>    given right to tell another what they can or can not do that
>    does not _directly_ infringe on their own rights; as a
>    consequence, the fanatics believe they have the God given
>    right to legislate morality --and then there are back alley
>    coat hanger abortions where the nascent mother is placed
>    at an unacceptable risk.

Bunk, their are numerous laws that tell others what they can or can not
do. It is illegal to steal, it is illegal to commit murder. The fact they
you may be stealing from someone else or trying to kill someone else does
not make it any less illegal (and immoral). Every human has basics rights;
the right to life being the cornerstone of those rights.

I think it quite acceptable for someone to incur risks while in the act of
commiting murder up to and including their own death. As far as the
practitioners of murderer for profit they are no better than the Nazi's
gassing the Jews.

>    and, there is nothing sadder than an unwanted, often fatherless, 
>    child.

Yes their is, a dead one. I suggest you talk to some "unwanted",
fatherless children and ask them if they would rather be dead (not to
mention die a quite painful and barbaric death). I think you will find
that few of them share your opinions on the matter.

<sigh> I really didn't want this to turn into an abortion debate. I was
just trying to show the hypocrisy of the "save the children" crowd.

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