From: Duncan Frissell <frissell@panix.com>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:33:30 +0800
To: attila <guy@panix.com>
Subject: Re: This is a listed crime?
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At 02:22 PM 9/21/98 +0000, attila wrote:
>  dont want to take the time to look up the 18 USC reference, but
>  providing deliberately false information to _any_ federal agent 
>  is a felony--  that includes the IRS. 

True

>  if nothing else, such as
>  telling a federal agent to fuck-off, they will charge you with
>  obstruction of justice.

False.  You are never required to talk to a peace officer, Fed, or
investigator unless you want to.  They can arrest you of course (with
probable cause ha ha).  Even then, you still don't have to talk to them.
In criminal cases you *never* have to talk to anyone.

>  too many to list; also, each of the regulatory agencies have
>  their own courts and regulations which usurp the Congressional
>  mandate for legislation of the Constitution. The regulatory
>  courts have broad powers and their decisions, both criminal and
>  civil, can be entered in Federal District Court; 

The agencies have no criminal adjudicatory power (aside from a few odd
circumstances).  They can seize property of course (if you have it where it
can be seized) but they (mostly) can't lock you up.

>  you, of course,
>  have right of review in Federal District Court, for what that is
>  worth --by the time you get that far in the procedings, you're
>  out of money for the mandatory lawyers the original 13th amendment
>  was created to prevent 

Lawyers aren't mandatory.  Colin Ferguson defended himself on nine murder
counts without one (and lost).  The Long Island Railroad gunman.

DCF