From: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:24:12 +0800
To: raymond@fbn.bc.ca
Subject: Re: Spot The Fed / ICMP, UDP, and traceroute
In-Reply-To: <199809100428.VAA17926@leroy.fbn.bc.ca>
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Raymond D. Mereniuk wrote:

> Traceroute doesn't use DNS, it doesn't need to as it already has the
> IP numbers.  DNS is a system which provides IP numbers when you
> give it a domain name.  Reverse DNS provides a host name to an IP
> address but Traceroute doesn't use it.
> 
> Traceroute works at the router level.  Traceroute is like Ping but
> provides information on every hop including IP number and
> assigned device name.  With Traceroute if a host name is not
> received, when requested of course, it is because the equipment
> was not assigned a host name or it is deliberately suppressed.  I
> don't use Traceroute a lot but this is the first time I have seen host
> names suppressed.
> 
> A lot of routers have ICM suppressed and will not provide a device
> name.  If an end user site wants to provide better security they will
> turn off ICM packets.  At that point Traceroute doesn't work at all.

Not quite true.  traceroute does use DNS.  If you do traceroute www.joe.com
it will use dns to resolve it to an ip.  If you do traceroute 10.0.0.1, it
will use dns to resolve it to a name.   At every hop, it will use reverse
DNS to resolve the ip's to names.  If a hop doesn't have a reverse, you see
it's ip.

Traceroute under unix uses UDP on some high random port.  Traceroute on NT
(TRACERT.EXE) uses ICMP.  In both cases, it sets the TTL field to 1, and sends
a message.  The router dropping the message responds with ICMP telling your
host, "packet dropped due to ttl" -- this returns that router's ip address to
you.   (For non TCP heads - each packet has a TTL - time to live field that
gets decreased as the packet "hops" across a router.  When the TTL reaches
zero, the next router to receive it drops it and returns an error to the
sender.  This mechanism is used to prevent router loops from brining down all
the networks in the loop among other things like tracing a route...)

One can hide routers by making them ignore ICMP or not respond to ICMP.  In
such cases, you simply get time outs (a line with 3 *'s)...

A good test is to use traceroute from NT/95 and another from unix so you can
tell what's filtered.

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