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1995-01-18 - Re: Abuse and Remailer Ethics

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From: Homer Wilson Smith <homer@math.cornell.edu>
To: Rick Busdiecker <rfb@lehman.com>
Message Hash: f72fdbb932bfc0a06307f860379b62939d8e90a4e5e3e6414d0b58e25d49997f
Message ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950117213146.21124H-100000@math>
Reply To: <9501172032.AA29703@cfdevx1.lehman.com>
UTC Datetime: 1995-01-18 02:35:45 UTC
Raw Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:35:45 PST

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From: Homer Wilson Smith <homer@math.cornell.edu>
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 95 18:35:45 PST
To: Rick Busdiecker <rfb@lehman.com>
Subject: Re: Abuse and Remailer Ethics
In-Reply-To: <9501172032.AA29703@cfdevx1.lehman.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SUN.3.91.950117213146.21124H-100000@math>
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     The POINT is that if you chain and use pgp the remailer operator
CAN'T sell you out.  Whether or not the reop discusses or promises never
to sell you out is meaningless when the cards are down.  Trusting someone
because they SAY they are trustable is a fools game. So up front, I say
"Who me, trustable?  Hah!", and then let people use the technology to make
sure their stuff is safe.  PGP can't be broken, and chaining can't be
traced without LOTS of difficulty, and frankly reops have little interest
really in reading people's private mail, especially when it is pgp'd, let
alone tracing them for postings that they don't even know what's being
said in them!  Right? 
 
     Homer

On Tue, 17 Jan 1995, Rick Busdiecker wrote:

>     Date: Tue, 17 Jan 1995 11:06:16 +0100 (MET)
>     From: Mats Bergstrom <asgaard@sos.sll.se>
> 
>     This thread illustrates (at least if setup's like this are
>     worthy of a place in Raph's list) that penet.fi is the safest
>     way to go for the moment.
> 
> That depends on your threat model.  For most, chaining is safer than
> penet.
> 
>     I would just hate it to have my head on the plate of a remailer
>     operator who takes an interest in subtile ethical discussion of
>     whether to sell me out or not.
> 
> Your characterization of what Homer has said strikes me as extremely
> inaccurate.
> 
> 			Rick
> 
>

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