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From: JonWienke@aol.com
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 1996 08:04:41 +0800
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Subject: Re: Enemies R Us [Political Rant]
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>These are organized groups of militias, white supremacists,
>neo-Nazis- skinheads, survivalists and constitutionalists who
>are connected to each other with increasing frequency by the
>Internet, fax machines and a shared belief in Christian
>Identity, a renegade religious concept that. proclaims whites
>to be God's chosen people, Jews to be descendants of Satan and
>blacks to be subhuman.
These views are shared by only a small minority of the patriot movement.
This paragraph is pure propaganda. There are some of these people in the
patriot community, but their percentages are not much higher than in the
general population.
>At the same time, however, as Federal agencies proceed with
>traditional means of intelligence gathering (as in the
>Unabomber case), and Congress ponders a new anti-terrorism
>bill (stalled by the gun lobby and civil libertarians),
>efforts to fight domestic terrorism are being supplemented
>more than ever by private human rights organizations that
>track the fringe right with their own networks. They willingly
>share information with law enforcement agencies, branches of
>the military and reporters.
If Federal LEO's are getting so much help from volunteer snitches, why do we
need the anti-terrorism bull? :)
>Federal law enforcement agencies, which were heavily
>criticized for their actions in fatal controntations in Ruby
>Ridge, Idaho, and Waco, Tex., appear to be trying a new, more
>patient approach in waiting for a peaceful solution to the
>current standoff with the anti-government group called the
>Freemen in eastern Montana. They have been criticized this
>time, largely by neighbors of the Freeman and local officials,
>for waiting so long to get involved, and for waiting at all.
Don't wait. Act precipitously. Burn all the [insert disliked
individuals/groups here]. Oh, wait. Isn't that what Hitler did?
>Most of the human rights organizations were actively
>campaigning against racism and anti-Semitism long before the
>Oklahoma City bombing on April 19, 1995 and the arrest of two
>suspects with links to militia groups. And with many of the
>right-wing groups now hiding racist views beyond a more
>acceptable veneer of anti-government oratory, the human rights
>groups say the need to collect information has become that
>much more critical.
There is NO clearly established connection between McVeigh and ANY militia
group. This notion is more government propaganda.
>At least two of them -- the Southern Poverty Law Center in
>Montgomery, Ala., and the Simon Wiesenthal Center in Los
>Angeles -- use undercover operatives. Both organizations had
>spies attend a convention last weekend in Lake Tahoe that
>attracted hundreds of Christian Identity followers to hear a
>speech by Randy Weaver, the white separatist whose wife and
>son were killed three years ago in a siege by Federal agents
>in Ruby Ridge.
>
>The Southern Poverty Law Center has computer files of more
>than 12,000 people identified as members of a far-right group.
>The Wiesenthal Center operates an extensive electronic
>tracking station, where researchers monitor television, cable
>and radio shows all over the world for racist and anti-Semitic
>content.
I find it ironic that the SPLC is run by far-left radicals of the type who
did a lot of bitching in the 60's when their ox was being gored. (Does
anyone remember COINTELPRO?)
The Wiesenthal center is actively supporting legislation (the anti-terror
bill, various gun control bills, etc.) that would give our gov't many of the
same powers Hitler had, which he eventually used against the Jews. Those who
refuse to learn from history will be condemned to repeat it.
>When the Army recently conducted an internal investigation to
>learn how many soldiers were involved with skinhead groups,
>senior officers at the Pentagon twice conferred with
>Wiesenthal Center officials, and when Patrick J. Buchanan was
>running for the Republican Presidential nomination, they
>produced names of Buchanan supporters who once worked for
>David Duke, a former Ku Klux Klan member, or had affiliation
>with the National Association for the Advancement of White
>People.
About 3 in all, if I recall the news reports correctly. This "KKK people
support Buchanan so Buchanan is bad" idea is fatuous liberal propaganda. If
one were to poll the members of North American Man-Boy Love Association, a
majority of them would probably support Clinton, because of his policy of
loosening restrictions on "alternate lifestyles." However, I have yet to see
any demonization of Clinton on this basis anywhere. (Not that I think it
would be justified, mind you.)
BTW, if the "advancement" of people on the basis of skin color is racist,
then the NAACP, La Raza, et al, should be put out of business as well as the
KKK and the National Association for the Advancement of White People.
[B.S. snipped]
>Now, Dees and his colleagues at the Southern Poverty Law
>Center have again warned the Attorney General about the danger
>posed by the antigovernment "Patriot" movement. In an April 9,
>1996 letter, Dees urged Reno to take concrete steps to counter
>the threat of further domestic terrorism. He also provided her
>with a copy of *False Patriots*, the Center's new report on
>the "Patriot" movement. This 72-page expose is the culmination
>of a Center investigation into the "Patriot" movement
>conducted since the Oklahoma City bombing.
>
>United By Hate
>
>The "Patriot" movement encompasses numerous elements of the
>American right, from certain Christian fundamentalists to the
>Ku Klux Klan. It includes tax protesters, survivalists and
>neo-Nazis, as well as radical anti-environmentalists and gun
>enthusiasts. The tie that binds those in the movement,
>estimated by some at five million strong, is a virulent hatred
>of the federal government.
The 5 million figure is low. The NRA had almost that many members last I
heard, and most of them are not survivalists, tax protestors, or neo-Nazis.
Gun enthusiast == virulent hatred of government? More propaganda...
>This hatred has been fueled in recent years by the passage of
>gun control legislation, the deaths of Randy Weaver's wife and
>son at the hands of federal agents on Ruby Ridge in Idaho, and
>the disastrous federal assault on the Branch Davidian compound
>in Waco.
Shooting and burning people without a compelling reason for doing so pisses
people off, and lowers public confidence in the agencies doing the shooting
and burning. What is so radical about that?
>The False Patriots report reveals the people behind the
>"Patriot" movement, people like Louis Beam, a key Aryan
>Nations leader, and Pete Peters, a pastor of the bizarre
>Christian Identity faith.
Beam may be a poo-bah in the Aryan Nations, but most "partiots" find his
views revolting. This is another example of using an atypical aberration as
an excuse for demonizing an entire group. I have yet to see a major news
organization use the Unabomber to demonize radical leftist environmental
extremists in this way, but the comparison would be far more truthful the
ones made here.
[Anti-patriot B.S. snipped]
>Since the Oklahoma City tragedy, numerous "Patriot" terrorist
>plots have been discovered, including plans to poison federal
>employees in Minnesota and conspiracies to blow up a federal
>courthouse in Spokane and an IRS building in Reno. An AmTrak
>train was derailed by a group calling itself "Sons of the
>Gestapo."
Which turned out to have been done by a disgruntled former railroad employee
who left the "sons of gestapo" note as a red herring. Could you at least
stick to propaganda that has at least some basis in fact?
>Over ten tons of explosives have been stolen from various
>locations around the country in the past year. Authorities
>suspect a large quantity has made its way into the "Patriot"
>movement. In December, a survivalist was arrested in the Ozark
>Mountains of Arkansas and charged with terrorism. He had
>produced 130 grams of the deadly poison ricin, enough to kill
>thousands.
Explosives thefts are nothing new. Regulation of explosive materials is.
Explosives and poisons can be made out of commonly available materials. If
this is such a problem, how come this country wasn't bombed and poisoned into
oblivion 50 years ago?
>Secret Cells Formed
>
>>From California to Florida, "Patriots" are forming cells of
>five to ten men skilled in explosives, sniper fire, sabotage
>and terrorism. These secret cells operate without a chain of
>command to avoid compromising the larger movement. One cell
>recently uncovered in Idaho is financed by a wealthy
>businessman. These cells, like the one McVeigh is suspected of
>forming, are difficult to monitor and can strike when least
>expected.
Another unsubstantiated insinuation that McVeigh is a
militia/patriot/skinhead type.
>What You Can Do To Help Stop Domestic Terrorism
[Snip]
>Find out if your state has anti-militia and anti-paramilitary
>training statutes. If the answer is "Yes," insist that the
>laws be enforced. If "No," urge the attorney general's office
>to work for passage of such laws.
>
>+ Support federal legislation to outlaw militia groups that
>are not authorized by state law
>
>These groups operate as a springboard for dangerous
>antigovernment activity.
Yes, throw out the second amendment. The government can control people much
more easily when they are helpless...
>+ Learn about the "Patriot" movement and share your knowledge
>with others
Absolutely, yes, hallelujah, preach it brother! You might want to chesk out
other sources than the SPLC, however. The best way to find out what views an
organization holds is to directly contact the organization, rather than a
member of the opposition with an axe to grind.
>The "Patriot" movement thrives on secrecy and citizen apathy.
So does government tyranny and oppression.
[B.S. deleted]
>The Militia Task Force is leading the fight to expose the
>"Patriot" movement and protect those injured in hate crimes.
>The Center's Militia Task Force and its Klanwatch Project
>monitor "Patriot" groups, especially those with racist ties.
Yes, concentrate on the skinheads and other kooks. That way, you can tar
everyone else with the same stick...
[SPLC fund-raising crap deleted]
>A copy of the latest official registration statement and
>financial report filed by the Souther Poverty Law Center may
>be obtained by contacting Office of Charities Registration,
>162 Washington Avenue, Albany, NY 12231.
I find it disgusting that a radical left-wing propaganda outlet like the SPLC
can legally call itself a "charity."
Jonathan Wienke
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