From: Dale Thorn <dthorn@gte.net>
Date: Thu, 7 Nov 1996 07:25:53 -0800 (PST)
To: Sandy Sandfort <sandfort@crl.com>
Subject: Re: Dr. Vulis is not on cypherpunks any more
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Sandy Sandfort wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Nov 1996, Dave Crocker wrote:
> > Actually I think that this view is at the core of the misunderstanding.
> > In fact, we ARE required to suffer fools.

> What you mean WE, white man?  Does this "requirement" include
> John Gilmore?  Must he and his machine be held in hostage to
> the gratuitous flames of Dimitri?  I think not.

> > It is a clear and acknowledged expense for an open society.

> Clear and acknowledged by whom?  Certainly not me.  We are not
> talking about Dimitri's right to speak in open society.  This is
> a private list provided through the generosity of one person.

Sandy is suggesting (demanding?) that all cypherpunks subscribers "accept" without
question or proof John's generosity, i.e., the existence of the list being prima
facie evidence of same.

Well, Sandy, if this were a list sharing cookie recipes or some such thing, I'd grant
you the point, but it's not.  It's a list which would necessarily be watched closely
by neo-government factions such as NSA, and *quite* possibly be a trolling operation.

Please don't come back with the "so why are you here?" argument - after all, I have
my reasons, just like you.