From: The Deviant <deviant@pooh-corner.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 1996 16:09:30 -0800 (PST)
To: "Timothy C. May" <tcmay@got.net>
Subject: Re: Innocent until proven guilty
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On Wed, 20 Nov 1996, Timothy C. May wrote:

> At 1:36 AM -0600 11/20/96, snow wrote:
> >> At 01:02 =EC=EC 19/11/1996 -0500, Clay Olbon II wrote:
> >> >with _serious_ issues of 'unemployability'., FURTHERMORE people are NEVER
> >> >guilty before PROVEN so. Guilt or Innocence is NOT a matter of 'opinion',
> >
> >    Huh? People are most certainly guilty before "proven" so, the government
> >just isn't allowed to _assume_ their guilt, or to _act_ like they are guilty.
> >
> >     If you purchase LSD in America, you are guilty of a felony--Drug
> >trafficing. Wether the court _finds_ you guilty or not is another story.
> 
> In this case, the putative crime is "drug trafficking" or "possession,"
> depending. One is still presumed innocent until proven guilty. To wit, the
> state must prove its case.
> 
> I rather suspect that any prosecutors or defense lawyers on this list will
> confirm that an LSD case is hardly a case of "guilty until proven innocent."
> 

Whether you're _presumed_ innocent or not isn't the point he was making.
If you commit a crime, you are guilty of that crime, proven or not.  You
might not be _proven guilty_ in court, which you have to be in order to be
convicted, and you are still _presumed_ innocent.  But you're still guilty
of the crime.

 --Deviant
Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.
		-- Friedrich Nietzsche


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