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1996-12-15 - Re: Java DES breaker?

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From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
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Message ID: <2RHyyD6w165w@bwalk.dm.com>
Reply To: <Pine.SUN.3.91.961214181659.29415A-100000@beast.brainlink.com>
UTC Datetime: 1996-12-15 02:40:22 UTC
Raw Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:40:22 -0800 (PST)

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From: dlv@bwalk.dm.com (Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM)
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 18:40:22 -0800 (PST)
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Java DES breaker?
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Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> writes:

> > > While ActiveX does support hand optmized assembler, there are Java
> > > JustInTime compilers which take JVM bytecodes and turn'em into raw
> > > assembler.  They aren't hand optimized, they are natively compiled code,
> > > but they are native code non the less.  A good optimizing compiler may
> >
> > I've seen many Forth implementations, including pseudo-compilers similar
> > to what you describe. They sure generated a lot of instructions and an
> > occasional speed improvement over a simple-minded interpreter.
>
> Forth!=Java.  Test it before you speak.

Forth is close enough to Java to suffer from the same problem: the hacks you
describe don't know when they look at your bytecode what a C compiler knows
when it looks at a C program. They emit native machine language instructions
that emulate the Java machine at run time and repeatedly resolve the
references that a C compiler has resolved once at compile time.

<a bunch of nonsense skipped>

> > Of course, Ray works for Earthweb, who has a "special partnership" with
> > SunSoft, and gets paid to badmouth competing products and push Java when
> > it's clearly inappropriate.
>
> Or maybe Ray knows what he's talking about BECAUSE of that same
> implication. :)  As for inappropriate, ActiveX is inappropriate for most
> uses - any web page attachable code that when downloaded and executed can
> format your hard drive is inappropriate.  Regardless of performance.
>
> Until Microsoft secures ActiveX in it's own sandbox and doesn't allow it
> to access things it shouldn't, it's not cool.
>
> Anyhow, I will drop this topic here since it's becoming an ActiveX vs
> Java religious crusade and is inappropriate.

The great Russian-Scottish poet Mikhail Yur'evich Lermotov said the following
about the likes of Ray "Arsen" Arachelian:  "Ty trus, ty rab, ry armyanin."

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