From: Paul Bradley <paul@fatmans.demon.co.uk>
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 1997 00:14:21 +0800
To: se7en <se7en@dis.org>
Subject: Re: My War
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> I started logging the channels. I wanted to silently gather IP addresses 
> and email addresses. These people needed some genuine hacker terror. 
> Among some of the more active and persistent traders were:

se7en believes in attacking other peoples equipment and censoring those 
who say things he does not like. Foo.

> Well, this whole situation is unacceptable. 

In what sense?

> First, I would like to apologize to all those who have hired me in 
> the past, and were subject to my emotional rants about how the 
> whole subject was bullshit and not real. 

Is this really relevant?

> It is very real. It is disgustingly real. It is so real it will make you 
> want to throw up, and I actually, physically did throw up last night.

Good, I hope your censorous ass chokes next time.

> Second, in reference to previous conversation over the years on this list, 
> and in the hacking community in general, I know this type of activity is 
> not tolerated by us. 

Do not include me in either the falsely moral "hacker community", which 
does not even exist anymore in the same way it did years ago, or make 
assumptions that I believe certain forms of speech are more valuable than 
others.

> Yes, I am advocating malicious, destructive hacking activity against 
> these people. Who are they going to run to? The police? "They hacked my 
> kiddie porn server and rm -rf'd my computer!" Right...the police will be 
> so anxious to lock us up left and right.

Anyone who attacks others peoples computer equipment in this manner 
commits a crime, whether they can respond or not is immaterial, it is a 
matter of morality and respecting other peoples right to free spech and 
their property rights.

> These people need to be eradicated from the Internet. While that may 
> never happen completely, enough harrassment will send a message that 
> engaging in this type of activity in very dangerous, and can result in 
> serious harrassment, public embarrassment and computer destruction.

An aspiring member of the cabal crawls out of the woodwork <sigh>...

> This is my war. It will be a public war. I don't care what happens to me 
> by their community or by law enforcement. I feel secure enough that no 
> jury in the world will convict me for taking these people out. 

"Members of the jury, we only killed him because he was black, surely you 
realise all blacks are scum, don`t you?"

> I don't expect people to join me here on this. If you do, you have enough 
> information to start. I caution you to log what is going on, and to make 
> sure you are hitting the guilty, so no innocent people get annihilated in 
> the process. Make damn sure you know who you are hitting and why, and be 
> able to back it up with the idea of having to justify your actions in 
> front of a jury.

I would encourage anyone who wants to to take retaliatory action against 
se7en or any of his supporters to do so, attacks on freedom of speech and 
attempts at censorship like this cannot be allowed to go unchallenged.

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