From: Steve Schear <azur@netcom.com>
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 1997 23:38:20 +0800
To: Kent Crispin <cypherpunks@cyberpass.net
Subject: Re: Thoughtcrime   (Re: My War)
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At 10:12 PM -0700 6/11/97, Kent Crispin wrote:
>On Wed, Jun 11, 1997 at 07:18:52PM -0700, Steve Schear wrote:
>> Ideas are not protected speech, since they only exist in the mind, only
>> expressions are protected.
>
>Actually, expression is heavily encumbered with state mechanism, since
>it is expression that is "protected" by copyright.

Quite.

>Ideas are also
>encumbered by the state, through patent law.  The whole notion of
>expression and ideas as property is purely sustained by the state.

Yep.  I have the right, because I have the ability, to think anything I
wish. But as soon as I reduce that idea, for example a patent, to a
tangible form the state has deemed it their domain to regulate it, but only
so far as the property aspect is concerned.  But they shouldn't from a
freedom of expression standpoint.

>
>> As I stated earlier, all expressions (however
>> objectionable they may be to some or many members of society) deserve
>> protection, unless they immediately threaten (or server to incite others to
>> threaten) the physical well being of specific individuals or groups.  Porn
>> and instructions for making conventional or weapons of mass distruction
>> should not be regulated.
>
>It seems to me that your penultimate sentence contradicts your last
>sentence.
>
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