From: Jonathan Wienke <JonWienk@ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 1997 10:48:11 +0800
To: CYPHERPUNKS@ssz.com
Subject: Re: poverty traps (Re: Sa
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At 04:09 PM 10/25/97 EDT, harka@nycmetro.com wrote:
>A real-life example:
>
>A single (divorced) mother, 4 kids (3-12 years), working full-time
>and making in theory $42 000/year. After taxes that comes down to
>$2000 cash per month.
>
>In order for her to be able to work her two youngest kids go to a
>day-care-center. Wham! $1000 per month (hiring a baby-sitter would
>amount to even more).
>Her apartment costs $800/month excluding utilities. That leaves
>$200 (+ $800 she gets in child-support) per month for _five_ people
>to live on (clothes, food, utilities, school-books, gas for the
>car, etc.etc.)
>
>One thousand dollars per month for five people!! And that in New
>York City!
>She is not entitled to any support such as free school-meals for
>the kids etc., because she "makes too much money" (_before_ taxes,
>of course!)
>
>What efforts has she made to make "herself more marketable"? She has
>been working ever since the age of 16, went 8 years to College (paid
>by herself and paying rent at the same time) and now has a Masters
>Degree in teaching.
>
>What has it brought her? Bill-collectors calling every day!
>
>She made a calculation and (confirming your statement) came to the
>conclusion, that she indeed would have _more_ money by not working
>at all and simply going on welfare.
>
>However, that is not a choice she wants to make.
>
>Is she to be called "stupid" and "selfish" because she's poor
>despite her efforts???
>
>I don't think so. She, btw., is not the only person I know
>struggeling in this manner from one month into the next, barely
>being able to even catch up on bills.
>
>Neither does she have a free choice of employers. There is only one
>board of education in the City. Changing for a private school would
>come with (at least a temporary) pay-cut, that she obviously can't
>afford.

This whole sob story makes me want to puke.  First of all, there are
thousands of cities in the US with a higher wage-to-cost-of-living ratio
that socialist cesspool New York City.  Anyone stupid enough to volunteer
to live in a city with one of the most confiscatory tax policies in the
country deserves what they get.

I currently live in a 900 square foot, 2-bedroom condo in Vacaville,
California, in a not-so-nice part of town.  I have to keep paint on hand to
cover the gang graffiti that grows in my carport, in 2 years I have
personally witnessed 2 gang assaults, (one of which resulted in an
individual being medevac'd to a local hospital) and I have good reason to
believe that there are some drug dealers moving into my neighborhood.  I am
currently paying a $67,000 mortgage for the privilege of living here.  For
the same money, I could purchase a 40 acre woodlot with a stream running
through it, and a 4 bedroom house, near Clare, Michigan.  Why do I stay
here?  Mainly so I can be near my wife and son, but I also have a job that
I really like, even though it doesn't pay much.  Does my financial
situation suck?  You bet!  My finances are in worse shape than those of the
woman described above.  Do I expect (or deserve) the pity of others?
Absolutely not!  Do I need some kind of government handout to save me from
my pathetic life?  Absolutely not!

I am where I am at because of choices I have made, and I can make choices
that will change my situation for the better.  This is the beauty of
America.  If you are willing to do what it takes (although most people
aren't) you can improve ypur lot in life.

Jonathan Wienke

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