1997-11-19 - Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism

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From: “William H. Geiger III” <whgiii@invweb.net>
To: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
Message Hash: 2273bd829bfb53e7d1bc74fb09e1e6ceeeb96409f25d5748908bf3cec7e6ce30
Message ID: <199711191658.LAA05592@users.invweb.net>
Reply To: <ocr4t58q25f.fsf@ml.com>
UTC Datetime: 1997-11-19 17:20:12 UTC
Raw Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:20:12 +0800

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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net>
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 1997 01:20:12 +0800
To: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
Subject: Re: Report on UN conference on Internet and racism
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In <ocr4t58q25f.fsf@ml.com>, on 11/19/97 
   at 11:28 AM, Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com> said:

>Tim May writes:
>> At 10:17 PM -0700 11/18/97, Colin A. Reed wrote:

>>> I think the most important constitutional protection is that of
>>> due-process.  Thus we need to have a court proceeding to determine that
>>> they really are in the US without a valid visa before we can bus them out.

>> It's called a "Green Card," popularly.

>> No court proceeding is needed to deport illegal aliens, save for a
>> perfunctory classification hearing to determine whether or not they have a
>> Green Card.

>How do you know that someone is not a citizen?  My mother-in-law has no
>green card, can barely speak English, yet can legally stay in the US for 
>as long as she likes.

>Of course, that's because she has been a US citizen for over thirty

>> I hope you were not suggesting a long drawn-out court case, with lawyers
>> paid for by the taxpayers, to decide that which is patently obvious?

>How do we know that you are in this country legally?  The last time you
>were outdoors, would you have been able to prove that you are in this
>country legally?

>Innocent until proven guilty.  Unless he speaks Spanish.

>It's called the Sixth Amendment, in case you weren't paying attention.

This is a problem.

How do you get rid of the illegals without infringing on the rights of the

FWIW I have been strongly against the various laws and inititives
mandating ID for the citizen units especially the push for a national ID.
Curtailing the rights of the citizens to solve a "problem" has never been
a proper approach as it leads to invented "problems" for the sole purpose
of enacting the "solution".

IMNSHO think that the various boarder states should put the National Guard
on the boarder to keep them out. Still doesn't resolve the problem of the
ones that are already here.

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