From: ichudov@algebra.com (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 1997 21:30:54 -0800 (PST)
To: reece@taz.nceye.net (Bryan Reece)
Subject: Re: Monitoring the monitors [Was: Gilmore and Sandfart suck big dicks]
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Message-ID: <199701190526.XAA00327@manifold.algebra.com>
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Bryan Reece wrote:
> 
>    Dale Thorn wrote:
>    > 
>    > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
>    > > Someone wrote to me:
>    > > >Did you not mean any homo who has ever shaffted Gilmore and Sandy can
>    > > >write what the fuck they like but straight or intelligent or NORMAL
>    > > >people will have to be filtered.
>    > 
>    > > Yes, that's precisely how Sandfart's moderation will work. Homosexuals
>    > > like Jason Durbin will continue to post personal attacks on Gilmore's
>    > > many "enemies", but the victims of the libel will not be able to respond
>    > > and refute their lies. The concept of "the best response to speech you
>    > > don't like is more speech" is totally alien to the homosexual subculture
>    > > on the Internet. These control freaks are into censorship and B&D.
>    > 
>    > Here's a problem.  I don't have "technical" capabilities in the area of
>    > communications software, and I have too full a plate to start studying
>    > now.  But, I/we need to monitor the "moderator", to make sure he doesn't
>    > allow people to attack others, then cut the responses.
>    > 
>    > If he does this, and he doesn't rectify it when it's called to his
>    > attention, he would need to be punished in some way.  One of the
>    > questions I have is, how do I know what's cut when all I subscribe to
>    > is the uncensored list?  I do *not* want to subscribe to the filtered
>    > list plus the "flames" list, out of principle.  Is this something that
>    > would be forced on me/us in order to monitor the censorship?
>    > 
>    > In other words, can I separate the censored email without having to
>    > have two accounts?
>    > 
> 
>    it is easy undex unix, what you have to do is store arriving article
>    in separate directories by message ID and run diff (with certain
>    corrections) on these two directories.
> 
>    diff will print you the files that are in one dir and not in another.
> 
>    take an extraction, and delete too new articles (so that propagation
>    does not screw you up).
> 
>    thats it
> 
> If you just want the differences and aren't too concerned with
> timeliness, I'm planning on running a cypherpunks-rejects list containing all
> the messages that went out the unedited list but didn't show up on the
> moderated one within x hours (not sure what x should be yet).
> 

a lot, since moderators sleep, eat, go to movies, etc.

	- Igor.