From: Bryan Reece <reece@taz.nceye.net>
Date: Sun, 19 Jan 1997 09:37:06 -0800 (PST)
To: aga@dhp.com
Subject: Re: Monitoring the monitors [Was: Gilmore and Sandfart suck big dicks]
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   On Sat, 18 Jan 1997, Dale Thorn wrote:

   > Dr.Dimitri Vulis KOTM wrote:
   > > Someone wrote to me:
   > > >Did you not mean any homo who has ever shaffted Gilmore and Sandy can
   > > >write what the fuck they like but straight or intelligent or NORMAL
   > > >people will have to be filtered.
   > 
   > > Yes, that's precisely how Sandfart's moderation will work. Homosexuals
   > > like Jason Durbin will continue to post personal attacks on Gilmore's
   > > many "enemies", but the victims of the libel will not be able to respond
   > > and refute their lies. The concept of "the best response to speech you
   > > don't like is more speech" is totally alien to the homosexual subculture
   > > on the Internet. These control freaks are into censorship and B&D.
   > 
   > Here's a problem.  I don't have "technical" capabilities in the area of
   > communications software, and I have too full a plate to start studying
   > now.  But, I/we need to monitor the "moderator", to make sure he doesn't
   > allow people to attack others, then cut the responses.
   > 
   > If he does this, and he doesn't rectify it when it's called to his
   > attention, he would need to be punished in some way.  One of the
   > questions I have is, how do I know what's cut when all I subscribe to
   > is the uncensored list?  I do *not* want to subscribe to the filtered
   > list plus the "flames" list, out of principle.  Is this something that
   > would be forced on me/us in order to monitor the censorship?
   > 
   > In other words, can I separate the censored email without having to
   > have two accounts?
   > 
   > 

   You can not.  You need another account.

Not quite true.  I'm going to use one account on a host running qmail
to find the differences between the lists (one will go to
accountname-mod@qmailhost, the other to accountname-raw, and a cron
job will do the comparisons every few minutes).  If you have an
account on a unix box running sendmail, you can have .forward run a
program to sort messages out by sender into separate files for normal
mail, the raw list, and the moderated list.

   I wrote to Steve Case about this censorship problem, and I am waiting
   for him to respond.

   Do you want another account to get the censored list at?