From: ichudov@Algebra.COM (Igor Chudov @ home)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 1997 00:45:28 +0800
To: tm@dev.null
Subject: Re: Why Jodi Hoffman must be called a 'Dumb Cunt' and told to 'Go Fuck Yourself' at all costs, by TruthMonger
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This Jodi Hoffman is most likely laughing at you all
after baiting you so successfully.

I refuse to believe that she could have been so dumb to write
what she wrote, seriously.


igor

TruthMonger wrote:
> 
> 
> Having Tourette Syndrome can sometimes be a burden, particularly when
> one goes through a long period where their obscene outbursts are serving
> no particular purpose. So it is refreshing when I come across situations
> where all of those huddled masses of naughty words, struggling to be
> free, can be expressed in a meaningful manner, thus living a productive
> life instead of being just wasted.
> 
> Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > [Wow. First time I've ever been personally accused of being "a major
> > reason for the downward spiral of society." --Declan]
> 
>   Rookie...
>  
> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> > Date: Mon, 03 Nov 1997 11:53:27 -0500
> > From: Jodi Hoffman <jlhoffm@ibm.net>
> > To: fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
> > Subject: Why porn must be stopped at all costs.....
> > 
> > ALL:
> > I've forgotten how long I've been on this email list.  Maybe too long.
> 
>   Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out.
> 
> > As I wander back through all the posts on this list, it finally dawns on
> > me what this is all about, this 'fight censorship' rhetoric.  It's
> > nothing more and nothing less than a lot of egotistical, self-serving
> > brats who absolutely refuse to grow up, including you, Declan.  Don't
> > you realize that YOU are a major reason for the downward spiral of
> > society?
> 
>   Why do I get the feeling that this Dumb Cunt (TM) has 'all of the
> answers' for society and everyone in it, and is about to share them 
> with us?
>   Well, if she expects us to listen to the divine wisdom of her
> words from the mount, I guess she had better explain to us how we
> are just dirt under her feet, so that we will realize we need to
> listen and learn from her.
> 
> >  Instead of trying to protect children, you want to empower
> > them.
> 
>   The shame! The shame!
> 
> >  Even a moron knows that when you do so, that power has to be
> > taken from someone.  
> 
>   Typo...*should* read "Only a moron knows..."
> 
> >Unfortunately, that someone is the parent.  I have
> > to ask myself just how many on this list have children.  Not many, I
> > would say.
> 
>   That's right...you ask AND answer the questions, and we'll just 
> sit here and shut the fuck up.
> 
> > Someone on this list, I forget who, has made numerous attempts at
> > convincing us that pornography 'does no harm' to children.
> 
>   Does "numerous attempts at convincing" translate to "expressed an
> opinion I disagreed with?"
> 
> >  It is
> > exactly at this point that I must draw a line.  Studies have shown that
> > an event which lasts even so much as three-tenths of a second, within
> > five to ten minutes has produced a structural change in the brain.
> > Exposure to porn causes actual brain damage, especially in a child.
> 
>   Good idea to make vague, unsubstantiated claims in this area. If you
> provided sources and references, someone might be able to throw them
> back in your face and laugh at you for being an ignorant sack of shit,
> using self-serving 'studies' to support untenable logic.
>  
> > So, keep protecting your porn-induced orgasms.
> 
>   Protecting? Hell, I strive to share them with as many people as
> possible. 
> 
> >  That's exactly what happened with the Hitler youth, etc...
> 
>   Uuhhh...you've got a 'study' to not-quote on this theory too, eh?
> 
> >  After all, I'm sure it does help
> > to blur the lines of reality.
> 
>   This makes even less sense than the last sentence. Are you trying
> to communicate propaganda that you don't fully understand?
>   Perhaps you should just stick to slogans and sound-bytes, rather 
> than trying to turn strings of disparate sentences into paragraphs.
> 
> <end of 'Windup'>
> > =====================
> <and here comes the 'Pitch'>
> 
> > Please PRINT THIS OUT and save for later reference.  Rules number 1
> > through 7 have already been put into effect.  Rule number 8 is currently
> > being implemented.  Numbers 9 and 10 are already in the beginning
> > phases.   If you're not yet convinced that you are contributing to the
> > ruination of America, I would hope you will be by the time you finish
> > reading this.
> > Paul and Jodi Hoffman
> > Weston, Florida
> > 
> > "When an opponent declares, "I will not come over to your side", I
> > calmly say, "Your child belongs to us already..."  --Adolph Hitler,
> > speaking about the schools and their indoctrination of the Hilterjugend
> > (Hitler Youth Corps).
> 
>   Are you positive this quote isn't from Eisenhower, in regard to the
> American public educational system?
> 
> > ==================================================
> > LENIN'S BLUEPRINT FOR WORLD DOMINATION
> > These 'Rules' are meant to be a loose parody of the Ten Commandments,
> > and are particularly emphasized at the Lenin School of Political
> > Warfare.   They are practical rules that are being implemented all over
> > the world -- with special emphasis on the strongest foe of Communism,
> > the United States.
> > Study these Rules very carefully. And then reflect upon what is
> > happening in our society right now.   Perhaps this list will provide
> > answers to some of the questions that seemed --until now -- to have no
> > answers.
> > Lenin himself said that it didn't matter that three-fourths of the world
> > be destroyed, just so the remnant were good Communists.
> 
>   Are you sure this wasn't Nixon, taling about Vietnam and Democracy?
>  
> > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #1:     CORRUPT THE NATION'S YOUTH
> 
>   Alright! Party time!
>  
> > THE RULE:
> > The future of any nation lies with its youth. So corrupt them; since
> > religion teaches moral virtue, erode the churches and divert the young
> > from religion. Make them interested only in themselves. Get them
> > involved in drugs, alcohol, and sex. Get them addicted to privileges and
> > rights.
> >
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > Many of today's youth are grossly overprivileged, committed to fashion,
> > physically flabby and lazy, and mentally undisciplined. If they don't
> > want to do something, they simply will not do it. And if they want to do
> > something to indulge themselves, no law or moral standard will hold them
> > back.  They feel that they are entitled to the 'good things in life,'
> > not as a reward for hard work, but as an expected gift, to be received
> > without effort and even without asking.  And where do they learn such
> > slovenliness? Just spend two hours in front of a television watching a
> > random selection of situation comedies to find out. Unfortunately, kids
> > who fit the above description usually model themselves after their
> > parents.  Such parasitic habits would not be tolerated in the former
> > Soviet Union.
> > The prevailing attitude among today's pampered American youth is one of
> > nihilism ( I am nothing, life has no meaning, I don't care) -- and for
> > good reason.  Over 75 percent of America's high school boys now think
> > it's acceptable to rape a girl at any age.  Wonder why anymore?
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   It sounds like the Dumb Cunt (TM) is suggesting that the former Soviet
> Union would have been a better place to raise our kids.
>   Yep, go to any high school and all the boys talk about is going over
> to the maternity wing of the hospital and porking the little sluts as
> they exit the womb. Honest! There are _studies_ that show this!
> 
>  > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #2:     CONTROL THE MASS MEDIA
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Since the media shapes the minds of the people, infiltrate it and
> > control it.  Dominate television, radio, and the newspapers, and you
> > control the minds of the people.
> >
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > It is quite obvious that traditional values are considered ridiculous to
> > all branches of the media.   Christians, clergy, and even Christ Himself
> > are held up as objects of scorn and mocking laughter by television,
> > motion pictures, radio, artists, and songwriters.  In the place of
> > decency and morality, a constant stream of Left-wing values is
> > presented.
> > Homosexuality, abortion, violence, and contempt for all parental and
> > governmental authority is the prevailing order of the day.   A
> > particularly powerful form of media is represented by the so-called
> > "arts community."   Some latter-day "artists" actually make a
> > pretty good living by mocking traditional values and Christianity.
> > Consider Andres Sorrano's "Piss Christ" (a photograph of a crucifix
> > submerged in urine) or Robert Mapplethorp's photos, which include one
> > showing a bullwhip protruding out of his rear end.
> > 
> > This media bias is not a fantasy of a few right-wing whiners; this is
> > cold, hard reality.
> > The extreme leftward tilt of the media has been documented by impartial
> > observers and study managers, and has even been acknowledged by the
> > press itself.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   It is unconscienable for the mass media to hold traditional values 
> up to scorn, and mock Ra, Isis, and the many, many gods who were born
> of a virgin and died and rose after three days, the last of which was...
> hang on, his name is on the tip of my tongue...Jesus!
>   Remember: left wing values =/= decency and morality
>   Is the Dumb Cunt telling us that the Moral Majority, which would
> by definition be the "prevailing order of the day," are a bunch of
> queer, violent aborionists with contempt for parental authority?
> I _thought_ there was something weird about those fuckers.
>   Those were non-Christian 'impartial' observers and study managers,
> right? <snicker-snicker-guffah!>
> 
>  > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #3:     ENCOURAGE PUBLIC INDIFFERENCE
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Cause the people to become disinterested in their own government and in
> > world affairs. Get them to feel disenfranchised. Get them to ridicule
> > and lose respect for government leaders.
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > Americans now vote at a lower rate than at any other time in our
> > history. Every American knows how disenfranchised and powerless the
> > average voter feels.  The media constantly trumpet instances of
> > hypocrisy and corruption in our government, despite the fact that we
> > have the most open and honest political system in the world.
> 
>   Hold it!
>   <laugh> <barf> <laugh> <barf>
>   OK, continue...
> 
> >   The
> > United States Supreme Court has wrested much of the State's power from
> > them with judicial activism.   This means that the people's
> > representatives at the State level -- and therefore the people
> > themselves -- have much less of a voice in their own government.
> > On the state level, when people or local legislators finally manage to
> > pass a conservative law regarding abortion, pornography or
> > homosexuality, it is invariably challenged by Neo-liberal groups and
> > struck down by higher courts, leading voters to ask themselves
> > "Why bother participating in the process? We have no real voice in how
> > things are run anyway!"
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   This is the communists doing this, again, right? Flouridated water,
> etc?
>  
> > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #4:     ENCOURAGE PUBLIC BICKERING
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Divide the people into hostile groups. Divide them against themselves by
> > getting them to squabble about inconsequential social issues.
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > Never before have so many trivial issues captured so much air time.
> > Major construction and other projects are halted due to sometimes
> > trivial environmental concerns.  Critical research which uses animals is
> > halted or impeded by animal-rights groups.  Sodomy rights, old- growth
> > timber, anti-fur, and dozens of other Neoliberal causes (and the
> > conservative backlash) cause more friction among our nation's people
> > than in any other nation in the world.
> > 
> > Meanwhile, the real issues of importance are either entirely neglected
> > or paid weak lip service:   Crime, poverty, hunger and, beneath all of
> > them, the moral disintegration of our country.   All of these have lead
> > to despair among those affected and encourage violent change at any
> > cost, with no thought given to the kind of change being fought for.
> > Naturally, when conservatives react to Neoliberal initiatives with
> > concrete action, they are painted as agents of "divisiveness" and
> > "disunity," further leading to the impression that American society is
> > composed entirely of squabbling special-interest groups.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   If the Dumb Cunt (TM) and her right-wing bum-buddies would quit
> opposing environmental concerns, animal-rights, sodomy and dozens 
> of other Neoliberal causes, then there wouldn't be all of that 
> bickering now, would there? 
>   The TruthMonger of the fact is, the problem is that the "real issues
> of importance" *_ARE_* the subject of "concrete action" by those who
> have decided that their own conservative values should be legislated
> into governmental existence in the interests of punishing and 
> imprisoning those with different values.
>   I've never seen anyone imprisoned for _not_ smoking a joint.
>   Think about _that_ you Ignorant Nazi Bitch!
> 
> > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #5:      SEIZE POWER, THEN CENSOR
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Always preach true democracy, but seize power as completely and
> > ruthlessly as possible.  Vigorously censor viewpoints that conflict with
> > ours.
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > If the slightest complaint against pornography in our schools is raised
> > by concerned parents, People for the American Way (PAW), the ACLU, and
> > other left-wing groups instantly shout "censorship!"   But they say not
> > a word when it is pointed out that the Bible and all mention of morality
> > in textbooks have been ruthlessly hounded from the schools.
> > 
> > Religion has literally disappeared from our children's textbooks. The
> > media relentlessly suppress the reasoning behind conservative and
> > traditional viewpoints while reporting their version of the facts and
> > claiming "impartiality."
> > 
> > Artists' demand that the people pay for their atrocities. When the
> > people balk, the 'artists' whine about censorship. All traditional
> > groups and viewpoints are fair game for ridicule; yet when was the last
> > time you saw any 'artist' making fun of sodomites or women?
> > 
> > In other words, the censorship is all one-way. And the "pluralism"
> > valued so much by the Neoliberals is entirely unilateral (one way only).
> > 
> > Communist atrocities which have killed more than 150 million all over
> > the world are glossed over or ignored, but the most trivial
> > international action by the United States brings immediate and forceful
> > condemnation.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   The Bibles were removed from the schools by the white Christian
> kids barricaded inside, thowing the Bibles at the niggers, as they
> tried to enter the school buildings. While waiting for the Bibles
> to be replaced the students had nothing left to read but the
> Constitution, and realized that the Bibles shouldn't have been
> there in the first place.
>   I would like to remind the Dumb Cunt that there are no laws
> prohibiting her children from bowing and praying toward Mecca
> three times a day, and it would probably do them some good.
>   The rest of the points above merely serve to illustrate that
> conservatives can't handle good acid, and should probably stick
> to booze.
>  
> > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #6:       BANKRUPT THE GOVERNMENT
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Encourage government extravagance on every front.
> > Get the government deeply into debt. Get the people dependent on
> > government by providing for their every need. This destroys their
> > independence, motivation and strength.
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > The United States is flat broke. It is the number one debtor nation on
> > earth, with a deficit of more than $5,000,000,000,000 (five trillion
> > dollars).   Social programs pay for everything from abortion and
> > homosexual-run "sensitivity training sessions" to comprehensive sex
> > education.
> > 
> > We are the most truly Socialistic society on earth, a nation
> > of people addicted to entitlements, unable to break away from the ample
> > government teat, people who scream at the top of our lungs if any
> > cutbacks in services are proposed.
> > 
> > And yet, the Neoliberals want to spend even more.
> > 
> > They want us to fund family benefits for sodomites, a comprehensive
> > health care plan that will inevitably turn into a Britain-like
> > socialized horror, and "art" that is blatantly obscene.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   I agree with the Dumb Cunt (TM) on this point. We need to fuck
> away our money on billions and billions of dollars of nuclear arms,
> weapons, surveillance equipment, secret agents and assassins, etc.
>   A decent and moral society can only be ensured by buying 10,000
> toilet seats for the Pentagon.
>   (Jesus. You _really_are_ a Dumb Cunt (TM), aren't you?)
>  
> > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #7:       DESTROY NATIONAL VALUES
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Cause a breakdown of indigenous national values.  Destroy all tradition
> > in preparation for the bright dawn of glorious Socialism.  Ridicule
> > religion, patriotism, and honesty. The people must be led to have only
> > one interest:   Themselves!
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > >From the public schools to the pulpits of Christian "churches," moral
> > relativism and situational ethics are the rule of the day. The highest
> > goods are compassion, nonjudgmentalism, and tolerance.
> > Any individual weakness is treated as a problem of society, not of the
> > person, and this relieves everyone of the responsibility of improving
> > themselves.
> > 
> > Why should there be any effort to take responsibility for one's own
> > faults when "society" is so conveniently ready to take the blame for all
> > one's sins? Society has made the sacrifice.   So criminals, addicts,
> > alcoholics, child molesters, wife beaters, and others can always blame
> > their problems on society.
> > 
> > We have truly become the "me generation."
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   The Dumb Cunt (TM) is beginning to degenerate into drooling and
> meaningless generalizations which make little sense.
>  
> > RULE FOR REVOLUTION #8:       ATTACK GUN OWNERSHIP
> > 
> > THE RULE:
> > Control or register all firearms if possible. This will make their
> > confiscation much easier when the time comes for revolution.
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > When the Communist Revolution occurs in the United States, the last
> > thing the Red Armies want to face is ten million determined and
> > well-trained guerrillas (gun owners) taking potshots at them from around
> > every corner.
> > 
> > The Communists don't want the equivalent of ten Afghanistans in the
> > United States.
> > 
> > Although the objective of inhibiting gun ownership has not yet been
> > completely met, there are dozens of bills and initiatives being
> > submitted all over the country for compulsory gun registration,
> > permitting, and other controls.   The Second Amendment is
> > disregarded entirely as Neoliberals trumpet for all guns to be totally
> > banned.
> > After all, they say, thousands die from gun-related accidents and crimes
> > every year. They fail to see that criminals will always get guns, a
> > parallel to their own argument stating that, if abortion becomes
> > illegal, women will still get abortions.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   I guess it was a mistake for the Dumb Cunt (TM) and her right-wing
> bum-buddies to join the left-wing sodomy artists in electing so
> goddamn many Communist gun-snatchers to political office.
>   I think we ought to give Hinkley his gun back, as soon as 
> another Republican is elected President.
> 
>  > RULES FOR REVOLUTION #9 AND #10:    UNDERMINE THE ARMED FORCES
> > 
> > THE RULES:
> > Destroy the reputation of the armed forces.
> > Cause the young men to perceive military duty as distasteful and
> > ridiculous. Fight registration of any kind, and encourage defections
> > within the ranks.
> > Cause the people to desire peace at any cost.   Cause them to oppose any
> > and all of their government's actions regarding the strengthening or use
> > of their armed forces.
> > 
> > THE DUMB CUNT'S OPINION:
> > Our country's armed forces consume a vast percentage of our gross
> > national product.
> > We possess the best and most advanced weapons systems in the world. But
> > our armed forces are a joke for two reasons:
> > (1) they are completely restrained in their actions by a hostile
> > Congress, and
> > (2) the armed forces have been saddled with such a bad reputation that
> > it is virtually impossible to fill the ranks with volunteers, even in
> > the new and streamlined armed services.
> > 
> > Where serving in the armed forces was once considered patriotic and
> > honorable (as it was in the former Soviet Union), it is now looked upon
> > as foolish and 'anti-progressive.'
> > 
> > Servicemen are ridiculed and denigrated at every turn. People say that,
> > if you can't make it on the outside, you wind up in the armed forces.
> > 
> > Every serviceman is considered to be a useless gobbler of tax money.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   And all of the good soldiers, like Tim McVeigh, end up leaving.
>  
> > FINAL REALITY:  WELCOME TO AMERIKA, COMRADES.
> > ================================================================
> > The 'Rules for Revolution' described here are the most important actions
> > that can be taken to weaken a country in order to prepare it for armed
> > attack or a skillful coup d'etat.  These rules are summaries that are
> > extracted from a number of books written by professional revolutionaries
> > from the former Soviet Union, from other Communist-dominated countries,
> > and from the United States itself.
> > They are most concisely summarized in the 2,225 page, three-volume set
> > Lenin: Selected Works , distributed in English by Progress Publishers,
> > 21, Zubovsky Boulevard, Moscow.
> > These general principles, dedicated to one of the most famous
> > revolutionaries of all time, Vladimir Lenin, are studied by every
> > Communist political scientist, and by every ambassador or emissary of
> > any type who leaves the former Soviet Union.  They are also studied in
> > great detail by many Americans.
> 
> THE TRUTHMONGERING VERNACULAR TRANSLATION AND CRITIQUE:
>   Vladimir Lenin's best friend in the whole, wide world, is the Dumb
> Cunt (TM) and her Nazi Christian bum-buddies. 
>   The Godless Communists and the Nazi Christians could trade their
> brochures and just interchange the words  "Commie" and "Christian."
> 
>   I wish I had a penny for every Dumb Cunt (TM) and Stupid Prick (TM)
> who spent the majority of their time promoting the very same beliefs
> as those they claim to oppose, the only difference being that their
> 'solution' is the MLM promoting of a 'god' with a different name,
> or a 'flag' with a different 'hang time.'
> 
> > --
> > Jodi Hoffman   R.A.M.P.  http://www.gocin.com/ramp
> > Victimization of Children/Research & Education Council of America
> > 1304 SW 160th Avenue, Suite 122  Weston, Florida 33326
> > Phone: (954) 349-0366   Fax: (954) 349-0361
> 
>   Why does it not come as a surprise that this Dumb Cunt Nazi Christian
> Bitch (TM) is hiding behind 'the children,' hoping that it will prevent
> her from being a target of reprisal for the bullshit she is flinging
> at others?
> 
> Why doesn't someone shoot this Dumb Cunt Nazi Christian Bitch?
> If it saves the life of just one child...
> 
> TruthMonger
> 



	- Igor.