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1994-11-30 - Re: We are ALL guests (except Eric)

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From: “L. Todd Masco” <cactus@hks.net>
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Message Hash: a94d1a8f7e1689f602f2ffa90a26655f22605a10c6acb6e9f552909c15dae910
Message ID: <199411301717.QAA05193@seabsd.hks.net>
Reply To: <3bio0m$ojh@bb.hks.net>
UTC Datetime: 1994-11-30 21:22:01 UTC
Raw Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 13:22:01 PST

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From: "L. Todd Masco" <cactus@hks.net>
Date: Wed, 30 Nov 94 13:22:01 PST
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: We are ALL guests (except Eric)
In-Reply-To: <3bio0m$ojh@bb.hks.net>
Message-ID: <199411301717.QAA05193@seabsd.hks.net>
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Perry E. Metzger writes:
 > Eric can turn the list on and off at will. By my lights, that gives
 > him control, and thus a proprietary interest, i.e. the list is his
 > property.

I can forge a flurry of unsubscribe requests (turn the list off) and 
set up the same list on another host (turn it on) at will.  All of us
can do this with varying degrees of difficultly.  Who owns the list?
(Substitute any denial of service attack for "turning off the list" if
you're not convinced of the strength of the forged unsubscribes.)  

The list is not the software it runs on: nobody cares very much whether it
runs on toad.com or c2.org except in avoiding the inconvenience of
updating pointers.  This is not a specious argument: in practice, people
do take lists of subscribers to other machines.  See recent traffic on
list-maintainers for examples from exclusively professional scientific
lists.

As I went on to say, arguing the "ownership" of the list is absurd... 
it's more reasonable (and productive) to discuss actions and their
expected consequences.

I think the only thing that will keep people from immediately stomping
away is that Eric has a strong reputation totally separate from his
"bureaucratic" role of list maintainer.  It remains to be seen how much
that affects peoples' behaviors and how much respect he will lose for
coercing, however mildly, people into using signatures.

	-- Todd

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