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1997-12-23 - Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment

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From: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
To: fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
Message Hash: 43273f88ec5ec1dd7e978e662aad7716cd6a154e518ae792090590ca902a1a44
Message ID: <ocrwwgw2bd3.fsf@ml.com>
Reply To: <199712231736.MAA17397@users.invweb.net>
UTC Datetime: 1997-12-23 18:09:58 UTC
Raw Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 02:09:58 +0800

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From: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 02:09:58 +0800
To: fight-censorship@vorlon.mit.edu
Subject: Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
In-Reply-To: <199712231736.MAA17397@users.invweb.net>
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William H Geiger writes:
> In <ocryb1c2i2u.fsf@ml.com>, on 12/23/97 at 10:30 AM, Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com> said:
>> Paul Bradley writes:

>>>> >Suppose RealBig Corporation fired Umbehr for his views. Would a First
>>>> >Amendment issue have arisen? Of course not. In a free society, RealBig
>>>> >is free to hire whom it wishes, and to refuse to hire niggers, homos,
>>>> >perverts, Jews, whatever. And to fire anyone who wrote opinions the
>>>> >managers at RealBig disliked.
>>>> 
>>>> Substitute "fascist society" for "free society" in the paragraph
>>>> above and the discussion begins to make some sense. Hell, it's even
>>>> historically accurate.

>>> Wrong, do you dispute the fact that RealBig corp. is free to refuse to 
>>> hire people for any reason whatsoever? Do you think I should not be 
>>> allowed to refuse to hire people because of their race or sexual
>>> orientation?

>>> Should the government be able to take action against me because I fire 
>>> someone for being jewish/black/homosexual???

>> Welcome to the 20th Century, moron.

> Really amazing how many so-called "freedom fighters" become STATIST if the
> proper buttons are pushed.

What are you talking about?

Freedom of expression is not the same as freedom of oppression.

If you want to live in a hut in Montana and shelter yourself from the
real world, feel free.  Otherwise, it may be a good idea to check out
social theories from the last hundred years.

-- 
Colin

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