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1997-12-23 - Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment

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From: “William H. Geiger III” <whgiii@invweb.net>
To: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
Message Hash: 56a8438677f31037d33b02de2675058917b31c9919f20c531e91b5c3bb13b42c
Message ID: <199712231820.NAA17822@users.invweb.net>
Reply To: <ocrwwgw2bd3.fsf@ml.com>
UTC Datetime: 1997-12-23 18:28:03 UTC
Raw Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 02:28:03 +0800

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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@invweb.net>
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 1997 02:28:03 +0800
To: Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com>
Subject: Re: Freedom Forum report on the State of the First Amendment
In-Reply-To: <ocrwwgw2bd3.fsf@ml.com>
Message-ID: <199712231820.NAA17822@users.invweb.net>
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In <ocrwwgw2bd3.fsf@ml.com>, on 12/23/97 
   at 12:55 PM, Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com> said:

>William H Geiger writes:
>> In <ocryb1c2i2u.fsf@ml.com>, on 12/23/97 at 10:30 AM, Colin Rafferty <craffert@ml.com> said:
>>> Paul Bradley writes:

>>>>> >Suppose RealBig Corporation fired Umbehr for his views. Would a First
>>>>> >Amendment issue have arisen? Of course not. In a free society, RealBig
>>>>> >is free to hire whom it wishes, and to refuse to hire niggers, homos,
>>>>> >perverts, Jews, whatever. And to fire anyone who wrote opinions the
>>>>> >managers at RealBig disliked.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Substitute "fascist society" for "free society" in the paragraph
>>>>> above and the discussion begins to make some sense. Hell, it's even
>>>>> historically accurate.

>>>> Wrong, do you dispute the fact that RealBig corp. is free to refuse to 
>>>> hire people for any reason whatsoever? Do you think I should not be 
>>>> allowed to refuse to hire people because of their race or sexual
>>>> orientation?

>>>> Should the government be able to take action against me because I fire 
>>>> someone for being jewish/black/homosexual???

>>> Welcome to the 20th Century, moron.

>> Really amazing how many so-called "freedom fighters" become STATIST if the
>> proper buttons are pushed.

>What are you talking about?

>Freedom of expression is not the same as freedom of oppression.

>If you want to live in a hut in Montana and shelter yourself from the
>real world, feel free.  Otherwise, it may be a good idea to check out
>social theories from the last hundred years.

Please explain to me where in the Constitution the government is given the
power to determin who I *must* associate with?? If I decide that I do not
wish to do business with anyone who's last name begins with the letter "R"
what gives you the right to say that I must?!?

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