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1997-06-13 - Re: FUCK YOU: There’s no general right to privacy – get over it, from Netly

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From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
To: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
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Reply To: <Pine.SUN.3.96.970613113859.23715G-100000@beast.brainlink.com>
UTC Datetime: 1997-06-13 16:23:14 UTC
Raw Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:23:14 +0800

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From: Declan McCullagh <declan@well.com>
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 1997 00:23:14 +0800
To: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
Subject: Re: FUCK YOU: There's no general right to privacy -- get over it, from Netly
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Again Ray misses the point. It's your responsibility to protect your
privacy. Choose credit card companies that protect it and you can enforce
this "right to privacy" through contract law. Ordering toilets on your
cards is already fraud. 

Nobody's saying someone should be allowed to break into your computer.
But by all means, beat that straw man some more.

-Declan


On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ray Arachelian wrote:

> On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> 
> > I suppose I am scum, at least by Ray's definition.
> > 
> > But let me ask this question: if someone *did* post my credit card/bank
> > records online through an anonymous remailer, what recourse would I have?
> > What recourse should I have?
> > 
> > -Declan
> 
> My point exactly.  Why should anyone have access to my machine or my
> records and be able to pass it on to others?  Sure the insurance companies
> will squeal that they should have access to my DMV and health records, but
> should they have the right to take that info and pass it on publically?
> 
> What recourse do you feel you should have?
> 
> What would YOU do if someone did post all your personal info online?
> things like credit records, home address, phone number, DMV records,
> health records and such?  What would you WANT to do?  And what control do
> you currently have over this?
> 
> Mind you, with your credit card info, any one of the "ankle biters" of the
> Bevis & Butthead mentality would be able to purchase a dozen toilets and
> have them shipped to your home, and other such abuses.  Or report all your
> credit cards stolen right before you decide to entertain someone to dinner
> and find you can't pay for it... etc...  These are all well known pranks.
> 
> Do you see my point and why I'm vehemently opposed to yours?
> 
> Or do you believe that "Oh, I have nothing to hide, I'm a good person and
> have nothing to fear from anyone?"
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 13 Jun 1997, Ray Arachelian wrote:
> > 
> > > On Thu, 12 Jun 1997, Declan McCullagh wrote:
> > > 
> > > > http://pathfinder.com/netly/editorial/0,1012,1050,00.html
> > > 
> > > [...]
> > > 
> > > >      I have a confession to make: Unlike many of my
> > > > civil libertarian colleagues, I believe you have no
> > > > general right to privacy online. Sure, you have the
> > > > right to protect your personal data, but you shouldn't
> > > > be able to stop someone else from passing along that
> > > > information if you let it leave your computer. That's
> > > > your responsibility.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Booooooooo!  Hisssssssssss!  Putting your bread and butter before your
> > > morals, eh?  Maybe if someone would go through all your records and post
> > > them all over the net, you'd feel differently!
> > > 
> > > Declan, this truly sucks. :(  I'm very disappointed in you.  You are truly
> > > scum if you believe this.
> 
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