1997-11-15 - Re: Tim May’s offensive racism

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From: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Message Hash: 33dbbfe87a05e42f60f9f19483b973a858ae3b39195d89310a137f25fcd4ffbe
Message ID: <19971115113653.59396@songbird.com>
Reply To: <42ca13f9d34086b1b366bbfe8ab5e9da@anon.efga.org>
UTC Datetime: 1997-11-15 19:47:46 UTC
Raw Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:47:46 +0800

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From: Kent Crispin <kent@songbird.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 1997 03:47:46 +0800
To: cypherpunks@toad.com
Subject: Re: Tim May's offensive racism
In-Reply-To: <42ca13f9d34086b1b366bbfe8ab5e9da@anon.efga.org>
Message-ID: <19971115113653.59396@songbird.com>
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On Sat, Nov 15, 1997 at 03:30:11AM -0600, TruthMonger wrote:
> Kent Crispin wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 14, 1997 at 12:22:43PM -0700, Tim May wrote:
> > > At 7:17 AM -0700 11/14/97, Paul Bradley wrote:
> > > >and liberty ethic. As for white supremacy, look elsewhere, I think you`ll
> > > >find Tim`s post an example of what the developed world knows as humour,
> > > >not a serious attack on any ethnic group.
> > >
> > > Just so.
> > Not so.  Tim is clearly a racist.
> Jesus H. Fucking Christ!
> I'm beginning to doubt if anyone participating in this thread knows
> what the fuck racism even is...or what humor is, either, for that
> matter.
>   Racism is a bunch of idiots who think that pissing on someone who
> _may_ be of a differnet ethinic origin, in a pissing contest, is racism.

No.  Using ethnic characteristics as a criteria for attaching
emotional labels is racism.  If you have a gut level dislike of
Japanese (blacks, jews, etc), because they are Japanese (blacks, jews,
etc), that's racism.  

Of course, I grant you that on a mailing list it isn't possible to
know whether the human Tim May is "really" a racist, so it would have
been more accurate to say that the persona "Tim" on this mailing list
is clearly racist.  However, the usage is common.  And also granted 
that the overwhelming thrust of Tim's writings are negative, so his 
racist comments are almost lost in the noise.


>   Well, when a spic, nigger, wop, kike, raghead, slant or wagon burner
> is broken down on the side of the road on a dark and stormy night, I'm
> the fucking one out there getting cold and wet helping them out, while
> all of the politically correct types lock their doors while driving
> by at 60 mph.

And Tim would be right beside you,  helping out.  Right... 


>   I've smoked crack with blacks, niggers and black-afro americans. When
> I talk loud enough for them to hear me, I try to be courteous enough to
> fit my choice of words to the environment and/or their preference. 

courtesy = censorship

Kent Crispin				"No reason to get excited",
kent@songbird.com			the thief he kindly spoke...
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