1997-06-24 - Re: Ray Just doesn’t get it.

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From: “William H. Geiger III” <whgiii@amaranth.com>
To: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
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UTC Datetime: 1997-06-24 03:27:03 UTC
Raw Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:27:03 +0800

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From: "William H. Geiger III" <whgiii@amaranth.com>
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 1997 11:27:03 +0800
To: Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com>
Subject: Re: Ray Just doesn't get it.
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In <Pine.SUN.3.96.970623184633.28368H-100000@beast.brainlink.com>, on
   at 06:51 PM, Ray Arachelian <sunder@brainlink.com> said:

>On Fri, 13 Jun 1997 tzeruch@ceddec.com wrote:

>> If the state issues me a permit, they probably have a right to the
>> information pertaining to the permit, e.g. they do need the make, model,
>> year, and similar information about the car to issue a title or
>> registration.  If they are issuing state ID, they need to know that I am
>> me in order to issue it.  They don't need to place my mother's maiden name
>> into the record although I think it appears on my birth certificate, and
>> would cause problems since this is used as an informal password.  My
>> driver's license is a permit to drive, not a permit to be me.  You can
>> make a case for the database containing my age, but date of birth?  Much
>> of what appears is not necessary for the purpose stated. 
>> So are you making the case for having the state ask every detail about
>> your life and being able to place it in the licensing database, or only
>> answers to those questions relevant to issuing the license?

>I'm making the case that information I share with (for example) the DMV
>should not be viewable by those OUTSIDE of the DMV and NYPD without my
>consent - i.e. if Joe Insurance Inc. wants to insure my car, they need my
>permission to have the DMV release the info; but some folks have taken
>this to other weird tangents, such as polarizing one's point of view into
>either libertarian or stasist.  I hold neither.  And I've given up on the
>cluelessness of the same folks, so the topic I've dropped. :) 

Only one here being clueless is you Ray.

The state is not allowed to engage in secret activities with select
members of society. Whenever it issues a permit or a license to someone it
is public knowledge. Whenever someone is arrested, whenever there is a
trial both great and small the full details are public information.

All actions of the state *must* be reviewable by the citizens. You can not
have a free and open society without the people being able to check on
what it's government is doing.

This means that all of the following *must* be open to the public:

DMV Records
Criminal Records
Voter Registrations
Census Records
Building Permits
Profesional Licenses
Court Transcripts
Federal Records
State Records
County Records
City Records
ect, ect, ect.

The problem here is *NOT* that this information is public. The problem is
that the goverment has got it's fat little fingers into everything. The
solution is *NOT* letting the state hide what it is doing with these so
called privacy laws but to get the state out of where it has no business
being in the first place!!!

And this has nothing to do with GAK or any other 1984ish monitoring of
citizens. The issue here is bringing the activities of the state into the
light of day. The activities of the citizens that do not directly involve
the state are not at issue here.

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