From: Joe Shea <joeshea@netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 19 Jul 1997 12:29:42 +0800
To: Tim May <tcmay@got.net>
Subject: Re: Keepers of the keys
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	And if Tim May does kill me, I hope someone has his key, or better
yet, can go make a showing to a judge and get it from him.  Then he won't
kill again.  I think this is the whole point of key escrow -- to make sure
people like the one Tim represents himself to be are people you can find
in the maze of the Internet.  Unfortunately -- well, not really -- I don't
think Tim is a trained killer who's going to search me out.  There are
plenty of them, though, and they are moving vast sums of stolen money and
nuclear weapon parts and stolen information all over the globe.  I see no
reason why we should be defenseless against them. At the same time, I 
don't think the keys should be in the hands of federal law enforcement 
agencies who have demonstrably screwed up big-time on an anwful lot of 
occasions.  Judges -- people like the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals -- 
would look rather askance at requests for someone's key when it was no
more aggravating an issue than a piece of flame mail.  On the other hand, 
if someone's going to blow up San Francisco this week, it sure would help
to have a key to any encrypted communications he was generating.  Of course,
a lot of people would like to see it blow up, and maybe Tim is one of 
those, too.

Best,

Joe Shea
Editor-in-Chief
The American Reporter
joeshea@netcom.com
http://www.newshare.com:9999


On Fri, 18 Jul 1997, Tim May wrote:

> 
> [I am leaving the distribution list alone, as I have no idea where the
> locus of this discussion is. We are seeing serious cross-pollution of the
> Cypherpunks list by crap from others lists.]
> 
> At 2:27 PM -0700 7/18/97, Carl Ellison wrote:
> >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> >
> >I'm really surprised to see this entire discussion resurface, especially
> >without any apparent memory of the past 5 years that have hashed this topic
> >over.
> >
> 
> It hasn't resurfaced from anyone clued in to the real issues. Just some
> reporters seeking "compromise." Fuck them.
> 
> Anyone who tries to grab my keys needs killing.
> 
> I have no more patience for "well-meaning" fools. We need anonymous
> contract murders to get rid of this kind of scum, as force is the only
> language they seem to understand.
> 
> --Tim May
> 
> There's something wrong when I'm a felon under an increasing number of laws.
> Only one response to the key grabbers is warranted: "Death to Tyrants!"
> ---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:---------:----
> Timothy C. May              | Crypto Anarchy: encryption, digital money,
> tcmay@got.net  408-728-0152 | anonymous networks, digital pseudonyms, zero
> W.A.S.T.E.: Corralitos, CA  | knowledge, reputations, information markets,
> Higher Power: 2^1398269     | black markets, collapse of governments.
> "National borders aren't even speed bumps on the information superhighway."
> 
> 
> 
> 
>