1997-01-06 - Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks “moderation” experiment in Jan

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From: “Mark M.” <markm@voicenet.com>
To: Cypherpunks <antimod@nym.alias.net>
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UTC Datetime: 1997-01-06 23:25:50 UTC
Raw Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:25:50 -0800 (PST)

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From: "Mark M." <markm@voicenet.com>
Date: Mon, 6 Jan 1997 15:25:50 -0800 (PST)
To: Cypherpunks <antimod@nym.alias.net>
Subject: Re: Sandy and I will run a cypherpunks "moderation" experiment in Jan
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On 6 Jan 1997, Against Moderation wrote:

> Other people are suggesting things like this.  I think it is a bad
> idea to tag the -unedited version of the list with moderation
> decisions, because then even the -unedited versions of messages would
> be delayed until a moderation decision had been made.
> Some people already have suitable mail/news filters, and would rather
> make their own article selections.  Please don't make those people
> wait for moderation decisions.

The problem with making an undelayed, unedited version of the list available
is that it would increase the burden on toad.com.  I suppose someone could run
a mail exploder that would receive the raw version and mail it out to all
subscribers.  I don't see the increased lag as much of a problem.  If an
automatic moderation program is used, the lag should be insignificant for most

> Instead, moderation summaries (for instance in NoCeM format) could be
> posted to another list, for those who want to know about moderation
> decisions.

This would not only increase the load on toad.com, but would also make it more
difficult for people who want to receive the moderated version and monitor the
moderators decisions.  Mail filtering can be done simply on many mail programs,
but checking a list of moderation decisions against the mailing list traffic
would be just too complicated.  NoCeM is a nice idea, but most people on this
list probably do not have the platform needed to run the software.

> No matter what happens, there should definitely be some address
> through which people can receive a completely unedited, undelayed,
> unmoderaded copy of the mailing list.  So if you want a tagged version
> of the list, there should also be a cypherpunks-raw or something.

This would cause the same amount of load as having the three separate mailing
lists.  In fact, it would be even worse if cypherpunks-raw was treated as a
completely separate mailing list instead of being aliased to the spam and
moderated lists.

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